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Aurelion Sol Possible Buff/Rework?

Sír Alonne·Jun 4, 2018·2 votes·1,922 views

I want to talk about the forgotten dragon , Aurelion Sol

Seriously , this guy needs some serious rework or buff. He has so much counterplay to all his abilities , he is too hard to execute his combos and his entire kit can get countered by : come close. Also , his scaling is just horrible compared to all midlaners and he can't even counter an enemy midlaner ... He needs full build to deal some reasonable damage with his combo. It is not even a champion that can be used somewhere... Roaming? and list goes on Damage? Does he even deal any kind of damage? Only his q can deal , he needs like 5 items to deal damage with his w and his ultimate is more like : i ll throw you back and scratch you. Not even coming close to champions like . He gets outdamaged and outscaled by almost every champion and he has really high outplay potential . He can't even set up a nuke since you can see the stars if he is hiding in the bushes ... Even his stun can't be used when the enemy is close to him unless somehow he stops moving. He can't snowball because he lacks of damage. I've tried multiple builds on him and i can't even find a build that can be used to make him useful. Even the new runes/masteries are bad on him.. He is a very fun and unique champion to play with but he totally lacks when it comes to win a game since he has a way more weakness than power..

6 Comments

IP MasquerenaJun 4, 20183 votes

Are you serious?

A-Sol is one of the best champs in the game, having the 3rd highest winrate after 50 games played at high elo, at 60%, with only 2 guys above him, Ivern and Rammus.

I'm sorry, but A-Sol is overpowered once a player can master him. 60%+ at Diamond and above is already something super strong, but look at lower elos:

Bronze: 2nd higest at 58%, with only Ivern taking him, at 59%
Silver: same as in bronze, 58%, with only Ivern taking him
Gold: Rammus, Ivern and A-Sol all have 58.9% winrate, and the highest
Platinum: 3rd place with 59.3%, with Nunu and Ivern above him, with 59.8% and 59.9% respectively

All those numbers are after 50 games played.

I don't think these numbers are something that suggests he needs buffs. Just because he's hard to master doesn't mean he's bad.

Sorry if I sound mean, but bad players on a champion shouldn't ask for buffs or reworks, especially when said champion is one of the most broken champs when mastered. This just proves why low elo/bad players shouldn't talk balance.

Sír AlonneJun 4, 20182 votes

Every champion is op when a player can master him , and his pick rate is really low to be said that he doesn't need buffs . If we take numbers , lets buff kalista too because he has really low winrate . But if you see someone good with Kalista , she is going to wreck everyone. By the way , look all the parameters . I know i am low elo scrub but you should learn not only looking a champion's winrate but his pick rate and ban rate . Let's take a look Aurelion Sol : Diamond winrate : 51,5% with 2.9% popularity and 1,5% ban rate. Does that mean something? It is like a few , really few people are using this champion and doing good and , also , he is rarely banned. Ivern 51,2% winrate , 1,3% popularity 0.3% ban rate Same , few people are picking him and winning with him. That doesn't mean the champion is good because out of X people , only a few Y people can use him . Want to know a good champion? KaiSa 26,7% popularity with 51% win rate and 58,5% banrate . This is a strong champion that doesn't need a buff because there is a majority of people who can use her and do well and also has a high ban rate , more than 50%. My point is , before you call someone bad , look all the statistic parameters and not just the winrate It is not the same to have a champion with 60% winrate if only 10 people are using him and no one evens ban him ,with a champion that has 53% winrate and 200 people are picking with 40% ban rate.

IP MasquerenaJun 4, 20182 votes

You need to look at more statistics then.

All the statistics don't mean just general winrate, play rate and ban rate.

A-Sol is one of the strongest champs when played by a good player, and that's his problem, he needs a good player to pilot him to have the absurd winrate, that's almost the highest in the game when mastered.

That's something that is inverse proportional with your statistics. The more games needed to play a champion at his op level, the less players will play that champion, due to a common fact: the majority of players are in low elos.

A-Sol, has a winrate that starts at lower than 50%, and goes to over 61% at over 200 games, that's a well over 10% increase in winrate.

Let's look at 2 simple champs:

Master Yi starts at 51%, then climbs to a whooping 55%, at 50 games, where he remains, an increase of 4% is something, but it's nowhere near A-Sol's level.

Saying that Yi is only for low elos, let's look at Garen, as I know there's at least 1 master tier Garen player, he starts at 50%, goes to 54%, where he remains.

It's not that "any champ can be op when mastered", there are champs you just can't do more regardless of how many games you have on them because the champ is not capable of doing more. Yes, you can have a 70% winrate with Garen in silver or bronze, but you can't keep that in Diamond or Challenger, but A-Sol can. He is that powerful.

General winrate is a bad stat because it's dragged down by the bad players. Looking at winrate when mastered is a different thing, and he is among the kings there.

A-Sol needs a player who understands more than just basic game mechanics. I can't pilot him, I don't have the knowledge (yet) to make good use of him, same goes for you.

He isn't played that much because he needs someone to dedicate hundreds of games to 1 champion, that's why the low play rate. Kai'sa is the strongest adc at the moment, hence the ban rate, pick rate and win rate. She needs a bit more toning down.

I called you a low elo player not based on rank, but based on knowledge. You assume simple stats make or break a champion. Champions that require absurd numbers of games to be played to get their god like power, like A-Sol, have low play rates because not many are commited enough to play that champ, even if the rewards are great.

Low elo players don't understand many things, low elo isn't just a rank, it's a mentality state. Accept that this time, you are wrong. A-Sol is too good and doesn't need buffs.

KaìjuJun 4, 20182 votes

Sol is really strong if you know how to play him.

IP MasquerenaJun 4, 20183 votes

Yet OP wants him to be strong without playing too many games on him. Dedication? Meh, who needs that, I have Fizz.

He thinks that low play rate means a need for buffs, but doesn't understand that A-Sol isn't OP when you barely play him, like some assassins are, you need dedication, and if players offer A-Sol that dedication, he rewards them.

It's kinda funny, A-Sol's char is made to be cocky, sassy and claiming he's so powerful and all, and he really is, yet he shares only that power to those who show him they deserve it.

BadgeblitzFeb 19, 20201 votes

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Sol is really strong if you know how to play him.

and really weak if you know how to "get close"

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