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Riven can have animation cancels but graves can't have a ..... animation cancel?

Danble·5/15/2017, 8:28:53 PM·2 votes·977 views

Riven can have animation cancels but graves can't have a cigar animation cancel.

On the PBE there is currently a change to riven which makes her animation cancels smoother, I feel that riot is being inconsistent here. In the past 2 patches they have removed Renekton q animation cancels and they have also removed graves his ult e cancel. I think this is incredibly stupid and unfair to the two champions which cancels got removed.

Riven is a champion about skill so when you play her you get better at animation cancels and thus do better with the champs, with graves and renekton this was the same. However for some odd/weird reason Riot figured that on these champions it didn't have to do anything with skill so they just removed it.

I know that the Renekton Q animation cancel was considered a bug/unintended feature but I still see no reason as to why it got removed since this never made the champion OP. Graves was incredibly strong and arguably still is, I also know that riot has said in the past that Graves was not allowed to have this combo/animation cancel because it was removing his tradeoff for using his ult (his knockback). I highly disagree with this statement, the way this cancel worked was by using his auto then his ult and then his e immediately. So there is a big trade off here, graves had to put his e on cd in order to use his ult. So I don't understand and I disagree with riots thoughts on the graves R E changes because "he didn't have to make a tradeoff".

Sometimes it just feels like the balance department at Riot doesn't play the game and they barely seem to know how some of the champions interact and work.

I really hope graves his combo get's returned however it seems unlikely. But if it doesn't at least riot should consider changing riven's animation cancels/removing them since this only seems fair to me.

6 Comments

junglerboy165/15/2017, 9:55:20 PM2 votes

Clearly you are misinformed on this topic (which many people were and was clarified repeatedly on the boards already), but a few major things:

  • Riven actually did lose some of her unintentional animation cancels and they are in the process of re-coding her so that they are no longer bugs but instead intentional features that behave fairly and consistently in a manner Riot can tune and control. Furthermore Riot addressed from very early on that Riven's animation canceling is actually what ended up making her playable, and without them she would need exceptionally unfair damage to function at a basic level.
  • Renekton did NOT lose any animation canceling with the recent changes, instead they fixed a few issues with buffering his Q, and fixed a bug that was actually stopping him from doing standard AA animation canceling like many champs on the roster have.
  • Graves' change was a fix Riot has been trying to address for quite some time that removed some of his intended weaknesses in a big way, while also buffing his damage output unfairly. They removed a bug where he could cast his E while auto-attacking, Q-ing, and/or casting his ultimate, which allowed him to deal ludicrously fast burst without having to sacrifice the intended lag time of his reload mechanic or the displacement of his ultimate knock back, both of which were intentional weaknesses that are crucial to his balance as a tanky, bursty ranged champ.
Weathered5/15/2017, 8:32:38 PM1 votes

Was the changes to make Riven's cancelling smoother labeled as intentional (like noted on FF@20)? There have been instances where things like that have happened as a side effect and weren't intended, leading them to be removed or not shipped in the live patch.