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@Riot balance team, you guys R U I N E D Ahri

Ahris··2 votes·729 views

Her damage output is way too low. It doesn't even make sense that she is labeled as A tier for soloque by many troll sites. She is more of a mid B tier. Her damage is tremendously lower than most, if not all midlaners. Ahri has clear weaknesses, she has way too much weakness. If she blows her q or misses her charm, ahri will lose EVERY SINGLE TRADE. It is not even fair that she is left in the dumpster(like many other champs which Riot ruined)

She was not even broken when she was nerfed. If she was left the way she was, in this tank meta she would have still be dropped down from the top tier.

Ahri right now feels and is extremely not satisfying to play, or have in the team. Her skill shots are too unreliable and her kit is extremely weak. I would much rather have veigar who can aoe cc and have a point click execute.

Sad, very sad. Ahri is getting a new skin but Ahri is a troll champ. I lost the smile I used to make, instead it turns into grinding of teeth. My hands instantly turn into a fist when a thought of Ahri comes up(which is all the time). Nights are hard to sleep.

Many will disagree with me. Most will. I just want Riot to respond with their view on Ahri. I don't even know if I want to get the new skin. I want to boycott. ;(

27 Comments

Trap or a Trick4 votes

you gotta land the abilities, for the damages

Ahris2 votes

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you gotta land the abilities, for the damages

You aren't rewarded for landing abilities because you do no damage.

Akenero2 votes

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You aren't rewarded for landing abilities because you do no damage.

True damage is a massive reward. On top of that, ahri has healing in her kit, plus 3 amazing dashes that do pretty good damage in teamfights. If you're trying to play extended trades, you'll lose, but shorter trades with charm and q hurt a ton.

Ahris1 votes

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True damage is a massive reward. On top of that, ahri has healing in her kit, plus 3 amazing dashes that do pretty good damage in teamfights. If you're trying to play extended trades, you'll lose, but shorter trades with charm and q hurt a ton.

Her true damage scaling isn't rlly good. But i do guess that is still something. Ahri feels really weak without her ultimate, and that weakness always existed for Ahri. If she is caught by anyone without ulti, she wil probably lose all trades. Which i don't like.

If she loses lane then she won't ever come back, this is what i hate mostly about her. Even if she wins lane, it isn't going to make her much of a threat. I hope she will become good again(feels satisfying tobplay)

Akenero1 votes

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Her true damage scaling isn't rlly good. But i do guess that is still something. Ahri feels really weak without her ultimate, and that weakness always existed for Ahri. If she is caught by anyone without ulti, she wil probably lose all trades. Which i don't like.

If she loses lane then she won't ever come back, this is what i hate mostly about her. Even if she wins lane, it isn't going to make her much of a threat. I hope she will become good again(feels satisfying tobplay)

she SHOULD lose trades if she doesn't have ult, and if she goes in. Getting caught out is something that happens.

Rexxiee3 votes

Yeah they nerfed her damage a bit too much, if shes not 10-0 she cannot burst anyone.

Kloqdq2 votes

This is just not even close to being true. Ahri is still a solid pick that can make a lot happen. She isn't a god tier champion right now but that doesn't mean she is weak.

Ahris2 votes

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This is just not even close to being true. Ahri is still a solid pick that can make a lot happen. She isn't a god tier champion right now but that doesn't mean she is weak.

Weakest of all mid(except for leblanc).

Kloqdq1 votes

Karthus Azir Annie Leblanc Zyra Heimerdinger Ryze TwistedFate Teemo

Just naming a few mid laners that are a lot weaker than ahri. She is still good and extremely well rounded. She isn't a super overpowered mid laner, but that is good. She is still able to make shit happen.

Ahris1 votes

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Karthus Azir Annie Leblanc Zyra Heimerdinger Ryze TwistedFate Teemo

Just naming a few mid laners that are a lot weaker than ahri. She is still good and extremely well rounded. She isn't a super overpowered mid laner, but that is good. She is still able to make shit happen.

TF is the best midlaner right now. Heimer is a top laner. Annie, ask LS about her, she is top tier according to him. Teemo is top laner. Leblanc, Azir, and Ryze are subjected for rework Zyra is support. Karthus is top laner(and he is very powerful, much stronger than ahri, he can single handedly win teamfights).

Also all of the champs you listed are much stronger and scarier than ahri. They have much stronger kit ap ratios and teamfight potential.

Kloqdq2 votes

That is clearly bullshit. Ahri is still strong. Denying that is just trying to either baiting or just truly being ignorant of the champions strengths. Maybe she isn't the best, I would say that's a stretch, but saying she is trash is just stupid.

Ahris1 votes

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That is clearly bullshit. Ahri is still strong. Denying that is just trying to either baiting or just truly being ignorant of the champions strengths. Maybe she isn't the best, I would say that's a stretch, but saying she is trash is just stupid.

She is trash. I play her, against her, had one on my team, and all I saw was how bad ahri was. She literally does no damage. She is super easy to gank. She is super easy to kill. She basically has no survivability. Some will be surprised, but a burst mage who goes into melee range and have kill pressure only with ulti has no survivability. If her ultimate is down, she is dead.

Kloqdq1 votes

She has a lot tools in her kit to kill and disengage. She is a kit mage through and through. Hell I looked at your match history and you were doing just fine with her. She is sitting about middle of the pack with other mids but her reliability and potential means she will always pop-up and be a safe pick. I see no reason to buff a perfectly fine champion and then potentially break her back and become OP.

Yes, her W is a bad ability for her. However, the champion isn't terrible like you are painting her.

Ahris1 votes

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She has a lot tools in her kit to kill and disengage. She is a kit mage through and through. Hell I looked at your match history and you were doing just fine with her. She is sitting about middle of the pack with other mids but her reliability and potential means she will always pop-up and be a safe pick. I see no reason to buff a perfectly fine champion and then potentially break her back and become OP.

Yes, her W is a bad ability for her. However, the champion isn't terrible like you are painting her.

Feels so trash to play. I play her a lot and she just feels so bad. Idk. My hands are shaking the entire time because of so much feeling of uselessness. I WAS FED. But I was useless. I can't do anything. Her range is so short and her burst is so unreliable. Adc fed can just right click and kill everyone. Side step all skill shots. Ahri feels sooooo garbage.

Kloqdq1 votes

I cannot relate to that. It feels perfectly fine playing Ahri. It's not like playing a Jugg and actually wanting to kill yourself because of how useless you are. Ahri is fine and if anything, it's a problem with marksmans not ahri.

Ra1uga2 votes

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TF is the best midlaner right now. Heimer is a top laner. Annie, ask LS about her, she is top tier according to him. Teemo is top laner. Leblanc, Azir, and Ryze are subjected for rework Zyra is support. Karthus is top laner(and he is very powerful, much stronger than ahri, he can single handedly win teamfights).

Also all of the champs you listed are much stronger and scarier than ahri. They have much stronger kit ap ratios and teamfight potential.

Since when is karthus a top laner?

LittleOak3 votes

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Weakest of all mid(except for leblanc).

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Middle

I don't even play mid and I know you are clearly wrong.

Ahris1 votes

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http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Middle

I don't even play mid and I know you are clearly wrong.

What is this? Clearly because winrate is the indication of champ strength.

LittleOak2 votes

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What is this? Clearly because winrate is the indication of champ strength.

Alright, I will break it down by clicking her name.

ahem

Average Damage Dealt: 20275; 22/46 (better than over half other mid laners) Average Kills: 5.98; 26/46 (slightly in the bottom half of all mid laners) Average Deaths: 4.72; 9/46 (top ten least dying mid laner you can play) Average Assists: 7.02; 20/46 (better than over half mid laners) Average Games Played: 7.47; 15/46 (people are playing her in ranked with under 10 games on her and getting these stats) Average Win Rate: 51.45; 18/46 (Top twenty of mid laners you can play)

and this one's the kicker..

Average Playrate: 7.60; 2/46 (Ahri is the second most played champion and is raking in all these high stats).

She doesn't need to put out a lot of damage because her kit has SO much. She has arguably the most mobility in the game with all her tools, and from the stats ANYONE can pick her up and do well. Obviously this isn't an exact science but the numbers don't lie. She's in a balanced spot for what she does. If you want to buff her damage, her mobility needs to get nerfed hard.

Looking for a weak champ in the mid lane right now? How about Ryze or Azir? I don't think I have seen either of them in a game since 2016. I saw more pre-rework Urgots and Sejuanis than I have seen of either of those champions.

Ahris1 votes

{quoted}

Alright, I will break it down by clicking her name.

ahem

Average Damage Dealt: 20275; 22/46 (better than over half other mid laners) Average Kills: 5.98; 26/46 (slightly in the bottom half of all mid laners) Average Deaths: 4.72; 9/46 (top ten least dying mid laner you can play) Average Assists: 7.02; 20/46 (better than over half mid laners) Average Games Played: 7.47; 15/46 (people are playing her in ranked with under 10 games on her and getting these stats) Average Win Rate: 51.45; 18/46 (Top twenty of mid laners you can play)

and this one's the kicker..

Average Playrate: 7.60; 2/46 (Ahri is the second most played champion and is raking in all these high stats).

She doesn't need to put out a lot of damage because her kit has SO much. She has arguably the most mobility in the game with all her tools, and from the stats ANYONE can pick her up and do well. Obviously this isn't an exact science but the numbers don't lie. She's in a balanced spot for what she does. If you want to buff her damage, her mobility needs to get nerfed hard.

Looking for a weak champ in the mid lane right now? How about Ryze or Azir? I don't think I have seen either of them in a game since 2016. I saw more pre-rework Urgots and Sejuanis than I have seen of either of those champions.

She doesn't have so much. If you say so much you havent seen Cassopeia with her aoe stun, heal, and stupid strong laning phase.

Ryze and Azir are subject for rework because of how broken they are. They are not weak, they are much stronger than any midlaner and thus put into where they are.

Her mobility is on her ulti with long cool down. She is not mobile. Do you call malphite a mobile champ then? She has the lowest ap ratio from midlane, how is she balanced then? If a chanp feels super not satisfying tl have or play with, then the champ is just pure trash.

Also top 10 least death midlaner, so much for HIGHEST MOBILITY MIDLANER, SAFEST CHAMP IN GAME. She does no damage.

People claim rengar was a failed rework, i claim ahri's one was a failiure as well.

Also i dot understanf why people love playrate. Lee sin had lime 45% winrate with one of highest playrate. Does that make him broken? No. Playrate just means the champ resonates with the player. She is fun to play and cute to look at. Not surprised she is not number 1 playrate.

Ra1uga1 votes

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She doesn't have so much. If you say so much you havent seen Cassopeia with her aoe stun, heal, and stupid strong laning phase.

Ryze and Azir are subject for rework because of how broken they are. They are not weak, they are much stronger than any midlaner and thus put into where they are.

Her mobility is on her ulti with long cool down. She is not mobile. Do you call malphite a mobile champ then? She has the lowest ap ratio from midlane, how is she balanced then? If a chanp feels super not satisfying tl have or play with, then the champ is just pure trash.

Also top 10 least death midlaner, so much for HIGHEST MOBILITY MIDLANER, SAFEST CHAMP IN GAME. She does no damage.

People claim rengar was a failed rework, i claim ahri's one was a failiure as well.

Also i dot understanf why people love playrate. Lee sin had lime 45% winrate with one of highest playrate. Does that make him broken? No. Playrate just means the champ resonates with the player. She is fun to play and cute to look at. Not surprised she is not number 1 playrate.

Cass's aoe stun is highly conditional and telegraphed.

I have not seen a good ryze or azir in ages. They're balanced by a high skillcap. If you are good at ryze/azir they are admittedly pretty strong. But in the hands of a casual player or a non-azir/ryze main chances are they'll be utterly useless with the failed ults and plays/combos and such.

Ahri is mobile. Sure, its on an ultimate ability. But unlike malphite, you have 3 dashes and not one. It's not stupid mobility like rivens abilities or yasuo's dash, but it gives you basically unconditional akali ults which you can use to hop over just about every wall in the game, dip and dive into fights, chase people down, towerdive+more.

As for "doing no damage" youre very wrong there. She's got a 253% ap ratio in one whole spell rotation assuming you use all 3 ult charges and hit everything.

Ahri has 1154 base damage in her whole kit.

As for comparison, Annie has a total 230% in her kit, along with a thornmail type effect that i won't count for this comparison. Annie has 870 base damage in her whole kit.

Now as for a further comparison:

Annie has easier burst considering its either point+click or an instant aoe thats pretty big. Annie has no mobility. Annie has a stun every 4 abilities. Annie has no lane sustain, but has up to 40% damage reduction. Annie has decent waveclear.

Ahri's burst is part skillshot and part AI that prioritizes champions. Ahri takes more skill. Ahri has mobility. Ahri has a charm on an ability instead of a stun. Ahri has lane sustain. Ahri's burst is usually harder to pull off than annie's. Ahri has better kiting potential. Ahri has true damage. Ahri has good waveclear.

So essentially, you will outdamage an annie assuming you both use your entire spell rotations (and they hit) and no item actives. "no damage" is not true.

LittleOak1 votes

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She doesn't have so much. If you say so much you havent seen Cassopeia with her aoe stun, heal, and stupid strong laning phase.

Ryze and Azir are subject for rework because of how broken they are. They are not weak, they are much stronger than any midlaner and thus put into where they are.

Her mobility is on her ulti with long cool down. She is not mobile. Do you call malphite a mobile champ then? She has the lowest ap ratio from midlane, how is she balanced then? If a chanp feels super not satisfying tl have or play with, then the champ is just pure trash.

Also top 10 least death midlaner, so much for HIGHEST MOBILITY MIDLANER, SAFEST CHAMP IN GAME. She does no damage.

People claim rengar was a failed rework, i claim ahri's one was a failiure as well.

A. Cassiopeia is considered a Battle Mage while Ahri is considered a Burst Mage in terms of subclass. They have two totally separate play styles. Ahri is designed to press every button and take you full health to low. Cassiopeia is designed for drawn out damage over time/long fights. Cassio has 3 skill shots (supposedly harder to play), and a clear "oops zone" in the form of her minimal cast distance of her Miasma. But aside from all that, Cass's stun (which is her only form of hard CC) is on her ultimate, so using the same argument you made about Ahri's ult, you have to take that completely out of the equation. Cassiopeia can't be "stupid strong" since her ult is on a such large cooldown and can be so wildly telegraphed. If you want to throw out your argument, than Ahri goes back to being the highest mobility mid laner, and to quote you: "SAFEST CHAMP IN GAME", so of course she would be in the top 10 least deaths and of course she would have decreased damage as compared to a champion like Cassiopeia. BUT ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT if you look at the Average Damage of Cassiopeia it's STILL LESS THAN AHRI.

B. I have been keeping up with this game for a long time and I have no recollection of Ahri ever getting reworked. Numbers changed around, sure, but that happens to every champion. Rework no, that hasn't happened in the past year and a half to two years.

C. I'm not going to spend my afternoon arguing with you over a champion that you are clearly biased towards (as your summoner name is literally Ahris). All I did was state the facts present to me. I see Ahri constantly and they frequently do the best on their team one-shotting our carries or they do a great job at play making and getting the person who is doing the best on their team score more kills.

Just my thoughts, sorry we disagree on this topic.

D. (As I see you edited your response since my posting this) I don't have a love for play rate but it has to be addressed when discussing a champion's state of strength. Play rate isn't just the champion resonating with the player (sometimes it is, but), it's also how good the champion is. If it was only the player's love for the champion, then why was Cho'gath jungle laughable 3 patches ago but now he's one of the most played/banned junglers? If a champ is being played constantly, still doing well, and people have next to no games on the champ, it's either in a good spot or arguably too strong.

Colgate Gator2 votes

I'm sure you aren't biased at all.

Catastrop1 votes

"Ahri" "Ruined" Pick one.

Ahris1 votes

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"Ahri" "Ruined" Pick one.

Chicken

The Deckowner1 votes

Ahri is the one champion who will never be underpowered, because she is one of Rito's consistant income source.

Shuriman Curator1 votes

Still at it huh? Nice. Lol

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