"ADCs can't build defensive items!"

Slythrin Umbreon·Aug 22, 2018·3 votes·2,248 views

"We don't scale with defenses!"

You don't scale with Death either. If the enemy team is 2-3 Assassin-Bruiser comp with 0 armor, the best thing you can do for your team is not be an effortless Assassination target. Especially if your team is also 2-3 Assassin-Bruiser comp with a mage "support" with 0 armor and no ability or effort or interest in protecting you. There's a lot of diversity in this game, I swear. + / into an eventual +

PSA: Infinity Edge isn't a damage steroid item anymore: It's an armor pen item. Maybe you shouldn't be rushing it vs 2-3 Assassin Bruiser comp with 0 armor. / I mean, I've seen Infinity-Razor Combo, and it did some nice damage. But I just want to point out that combo does maybe 10-20 more damage then Storm razor + either one of those Lifesteal items if the enemy team doesn't have a tank.

17 Comments

HayaishiAug 22, 20189 votes

None of those item save me from a 3 item diana killing me before i can even fart.

Slythrin UmbreonAug 22, 20182 votes

Supposedly, they're working on that. I mean, they were. Then they buffed Rengar. I dunno.

More seriously, the combination of Death's Dance and Hex Drinker might, though. At least enough for your team to be able to react. Even if they aren't peeling champions, they can at least kill her.

Tahminatrix Aug 22, 20181 votes

item 3156 item 3065 item 3111 item 3139 item 3046 You don't have to buy them all but you need to buy atleast 2, lol.

But ya diana does have some pretty absurd burst, even when you build her bruiser, she can get bullied in lane though since she is more geared towards late game.

EuphoricToasterAug 22, 20183 votes

Are you actually suggesting to buy spirit visage on an ADC?

Pika FoxAug 22, 20181 votes

I mean, if you need MR and HP and dont want maw or GA and have lifesteal, its not a bad option. Esp with soraka or nami.

EuphoricToasterAug 22, 20183 votes

You should almost never go an item like visage on an adc, youre just gimping your damage output. Thats a whoppiong 2800 gold you couldve spent on an item that would better allow you to do your job as an adc. I dont even think visage is going to save you from threats in a meta like this, with the insane amounts of damage in it.

Pika FoxAug 22, 20181 votes

Its statements like these that make me laugh whenever people complain about damage ...

Sure, build your full dmlamage squishy ass build and complain about damage. The rest of us will continue to laugh at you because we didnt die because we actually adapted our builds for what we need.

Protip; dead ADC = 0 damage dealt.

EuphoricToasterAug 22, 20182 votes

If you invent too much gold into defensive stats youre going to do 0 damage and people are going to kill you anyway because you dont have the damage to kill them. Literally ask any high elo player hes going to say the same thing. The only defensive items you should consider in 99% of the cases are GA, Mercurial Scimitar and MAYBE Maw of Malmortius.

EDIT: Also a better strategy to not die as an ADC is to just position better instead of building tank items.

Pika FoxAug 22, 20181 votes

You have 6 item slots. As an ADC, 1 slot is boots, 1 is pure defensive. You NEED said defensive slot, whether its GA, bloodthirster, deaths dance, QSS, whatever you need to stay alive this game.

Positioning only does so much, as does your team. The enemy is full of skilled players too, and not having something to fall back on is just plain stupid.

EuphoricToasterAug 22, 20182 votes

its GA, bloodthirster, deaths dance, QSS

These items are FAR different than an item like spirit visage dude. Im arguing you should basically never go an item like visage on ADC.

Positioning only does so much, as does your team. The enemy is full of skilled players too, and not having something to fall back on is just plain stupid.

Im not saying you shouldnt have an item like GA to fall back on, im saying you shouldnt buy a freaking visage. Buying tank items on a ADC is a crutch for bad play.

In the end do you ever see good adc players actually build a tank item (like visage) on ADC pretty much ever? No, you dont, because its a terrible idea in 99.99% of cases.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 22, 20184 votes

It's a terrible idea, though.

Sure, durable, whatever. But it won't work for shit. You don't use the regen, you don't really want the health much, it does nothing for your dps...

EuphoricToasterAug 22, 20181 votes

Yup, exactly. Idk whos downvoting me but they clearly dont know anything about the game.

Pika FoxAug 22, 20181 votes

Its not a 1st buy, its a 4th+. It takes the slot of your defensive option. And no, its not a bad option. If you have a healer support and lifesteal, and the biggest threat is mage poke/burst, its an amazing buy.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 22, 20181 votes

It doesn't work at all as an ADC item, though. You're wasting half the stats outright.

Pika FoxAug 22, 20181 votes

? Not even remotely. HP increases EHP, MR increases EHP, increased healing increases lifesteal and heals from supports, CDR is always useful....

You can literally use all the stats. If you have lifesteal, a healing support, and your biggest threat is primarily mage damage, mercs + visage is generally your best go to for defensive options this game. Mercs + adaptive if its enemy mage DPS like cass or ryze. Early hex is useful for mage assassins. GA for AD.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 22, 20183 votes

The reason that you can't really go so many defensive items as an ADC is because the few that exist just aren't that great defensively at all (GA being the primary exception, but even then it's basically just for when only one specific person on the enemy team is fed, and it's the assassin or diver. Plus, it only being useful every 5 minutes due to its sheer cost and lot inefficiency without its passive is a big drawback).

The more useful defensive items (meaning: Tank items) are all bad on marksmen because it offers exactly no DPS on a class that needs as much DPS as possible. Also, the times that marksmen do start using them, the items or the marksmen in question get nerfed to compensate.

Also, you do have to realize that no marksman can rush a defensive item. They'd just give up getting to exist as a champion then. So if the Rengar jumps at them level 6, they're just not capable of having bought any more armor than a item 1029 yet. They die, they come back to lane to try to farm some more, Rengar ganks again, they die again...

And, of course: Squishy defensive items are just terrible in late-game. The only reason GA is still relevant there is because it completely prevents you from being one-shot.

EuphoricToasterAug 22, 20182 votes

In this meta youre generally better off going full glass cannon. Its a "one-shot or be one-shot" meta. IE also isnt JUST an armor pen item, it doubles your crit chance which is just a massive dps buff overall.