Can someone explain why these jg changes are so bad?
I dont have the brain power to process y people dont like it, could someone explain it to me, especially scuttle crab.
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laners love it because they can impact the jungle just as much as the jungle can have impact on them
junglers hate it because their initial clear and usefulness for the first 10-15 minutes relies heavily on lane priority.. something that usually only happens in high levels of play
the displeased will always be more vocal
Stagnating the mid and jungle meta to a handful of champions. Other than that, they are fun.
Scuttle crabs XP and Gold reward have been highly buffed. After the first kill only 1 will ever spawn at a time.
So basically if you have the stronger level 2 as the jungler you outright get priority on the first scuttle. Since the enemy jungler has the weaker level 2 they most likely will fail trying to get it before you.
With the XP and Gold Buffed, the jungler with the better level 2 will now have an xp lead on the enemy jungler and gold lead.
Fast forward to the second scuttle spawn , The jungler that had the better level 2 has been higher level than the weaker level 2 jungler basically all game because he got the first one. Now he has a level advantage and will probably get the 2nd scuttle with it. and 3rd scuttle probably.
tl;dr :The XP lead gained from having the stronger champion to contest the first scuttle snowballs so hard that you have priority on all scuttles and will always have a level and gold advantage because of this.(assuming both junglers are of near equal macro skills).
That's all i've gathered on the subject. i am a top laner that loves the changes, akes things more interesting
(just posting this from another place ive posted in since its long XD)
yes, jungle got nerfed, and yes, we are complaining. But you guys are also complaining about junglers being opressive, no? the objective of a jungler is to provide vision control, objective control, and lane pressure and get your laner ahead. and if they are camping you, that means you're an easy target. So play smart, outplay, use your kit and ward. its not impossible to get out of a gank (unless your in a CC train that is lol)
now, why to me this patch is bad.
ppl say its good because now they dont have to deal with junglers constantly ganking them. But that's also the same exact reason why its bad.
see, jungle is now a feast or famine. Scuttle is something to compete over like drake or baron. And with this being said, YOU as a laner have to go out of your lane, miss out on CS/exp, just to compete for the scuttle crab since its now a mini-objective.
On top of this, the jungle pool is GREATLY limited to champs who excel in lvl 2 fighting and invading. this can include trundle, gaves, kha'zix, lee sin, etc. BUT here's the catch. with the new jungle, your allied jungler has to fight for ALL camps in the game, which then means they have to constantly invade and deny the enemy jungler camps and kill them. and if you are not a controller jungler, you just lose that because you are not that good at early game fighting. and if you lose objective and river control and cant invade, you will always fall 2-4 levels behind while the enemy jungler flat out snowballs. and since your jungler is 2-4 levels behind now, it is nearly impossible for them to help you and get you a winning lane. why? because if your jungler is lvl 4, they are 6, if your jungler is 6, they are 9 if your jungler is 9, they are 13. Because of the lack of exp, if they fail to pick a controller jungler and successfully steal majority of the enemy junglers camps, it is now a unbalanced 4v5 because now your jungler is utterly useless, and now the enemy jungler has just snowballed hard, and guess what? the enemy jungler has just snowballed and now is very hard to stop and will continue to taunt you and beat you down to a pulp because they have now snowballed, and your jungler has no way of helping you.
So tl;dr why this patch is bad is because not only the jungle pool is greatly limited, if your ally jungler is not hard fed, its instantly gg and there is no possible way they can help you or be of ANY use at ANY stage of the game because they are always 2-4 levels behind.