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Please Update Champion Update Schedule

z0402581··107 votes·63,234 views

Title. Fiora and the Juggernauts have been on live for a while, making the Update Schedule quite outdated. I (and possibly others) would be grateful if you could update it to reflect your current plans for future balances. :)

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RiotRiot Scruffy82 votes

We'll get to this very soon.

Spoiler (the nearer future):

Poppy (big) Taric (big) Shen (medium) A bunch of small marksmen updates (like the juggernauts)

There are others that we've talked about (yorick, akali etc) but those are still in earlier phases.

Swollwonder2 votes

Define nearer..

RiotRiot Scruffy22 votes

nearerer

Seriously tho, I don't have any real dates to give (wouldn't want to over promise). Generally think in terms of months not years. Some of those will happen sooner than the others as well.

Kjarik7 votes

Please tell my that by "adc small updates" you mean Quinn.

ploki1221 votes

I feel like Quinn will probably be one of the least touched since she already has a clear niche...

Eagleheart5 votes

most touched

FTFY.

Even the community at /r/QuinnMains thinks she needs substantial changes.

ModWulf Helhammer5 votes

Which is sad, because she really doesn't. And they call themselves Quinn mains

Choconut3 votes

As a quinn main, she doesn't need an update, she needs HEAVY bug fixes, 'cause she has A LOT of them. Her kit is fine and really balanced. What she was designed to do, she does it well and has clear weaknesses, but the bugs are just annoying, and as stated, there are a lot of them.

ModWulf Helhammer5 votes

Well yes, bug fixes IMO are in an entirely separate category then "changes"; they would be "fixes"

One thing that does need to be retuned is the execute ratio on Skystrike, which deals the most damage when the target is dead

And one thing that I would love (but I don't really care about either way) would be a passive for Valor

And I have no idea why I got downvoted. Seriously people, take the time to learn her completely in and out. Yes, you will suck with her when you first start, probably a significant amount more then you would with another ADC, but once you master her, you can be pretty unstoppable

Acm0203 votes

Then they doesn't main quinn properly I used to main her believe me she is pretty strong pick as a top laner and has a fun kit

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

She's also really strong as a traditional ADC

Xenohaz16 votes

Just to be clear, are they in that descending order, closest to furthest away?

RiotRiot Scruffy41 votes

No sorry, it's not even 100% clear to me how they will shake out. Different "pods" on the team are working on different projects concurrently so sometimes things finish faster than others.

Monkey D Luffy26 votes

I just gotta say, I like what you do scruffy, you do well so keep doing what you're doing :)

RiotRiot Scruffy26 votes

ty!

FallingMeteor2 votes

{quoted}

We'll get to this very soon.

Spoiler (the nearer future):

Poppy (big) Taric (big) Shen (medium) A bunch of small marksmen updates (like the juggernauts)

There are others that we've talked about (yorick, akali etc) but those are still in earlier phases.

Where do you think Irelia sits in terms of being updated?

RiotRiot Scruffy14 votes

We aren't working on her currently, but she is a champ that we have a ton of interest in for the future. There is so much we could do now to better deliver on the promise of the "psi blade" character. It'll be a lot of work and we'd probably want to build her from the ground up (new model, anims, kit etc).

When we do start working on her, we will definitely have some dialogue about what are the things that current irelia has that are really working. I would rather we enhance the things that irelia mains love than just create something cool, but too different.

Icestar11866 votes

we'd probably want to build her from the ground up (new model, anims, kit etc).

This is very worrying. I really like the current Irelia, and I think all she really needs is a texture fix for her hair.

I would rather we enhance the things that Irelia mains love than just create something cool, but too different.

In this case, I would say not to change her a lot. Especially not a ground-up rework.

Desiderium14 votes

She needs a ground-up rework. Everything about her kit is completely broken in every single conceivable way.

Herbye535 votes

Care to elaborate? I really don't see anything on the scale of old Sion, Yorick or Poppy for her to require a relaunch basically.

turkeyBACON14 votes

Besides her kit having nearly nothing to do with being a floaty blade master? Mostly she suffers from bloat. She was created when melee characters where significantly weaker to ranged, so they overstuffed her kit so she could compete with them. Lets go over her kit shall we?

passive: 10% to 40% cc reduction that stacks♦ with tenacity.

q: a targeted dash that refreshes♦ cooldown and refunds mana on kill and applies on hit effects. w: auto's restore health and a active that makes her autos deal true♦ damage and doubles♦ the health restore e: A 60%♦ slow or a stun♦ when she's lower % health than her target. r: 4 line nukes that restore health on hit.

As it stands she's just got an answer for everything. If just half the mechanics were removed from 1 or 2 abilities then Irelia would still have a competent kit. You'd have to rebalance numbers of course but she'd definitely still be viable.

Personally, I want Irelia to get a visual and gameplay update because they are wasting the potential of the flying blade master fantasy. Her current(modified) kit could go to her brother as a "new" champ.

♦ http://paulgoodenough.com/principal/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/image11.jpg

Preußen Ruhm4 votes

all you did was list her abilities, and no reasons they are bad?

Stephenizgod4 votes

all you need to do is list her abilities to see that they are bad...

Linna Excel6 votes

{quoted}

When we do start working on her, we will definitely have some dialogue about what are the things that current irelia has that are really working. I would rather we enhance the things that irelia mains love than just create something cool, but too different.

You know, the big thing that bugs me about riot's dialogues is that by the time that you guys have them with the players, the main things already tend to be decided on. Let's say there are 3-4 potential irelia directions, and of them 2 that will make her fans happy. Well riot will have picked which direction they want to go in even if it pisses off half the fans before talking to people.

Poppy is a good example of this. Riot picked tank well before talking to the fans. Fans wanted her as a fighter/bruiser hypercarry/anticarry. Well, screw the Poppy mains who build damage, they're getting a tank.

Sorry to sound so jaded but I've gone through too many champ reworks where the big issues of the champ was decided without talking to the fans before deciding things, a bad direction was picked for a lot of the fans of that champ, and no new champ was made to compensate for whatever was lost from the game.

Soraka is another example. A number of people had fun taking her mid. She was a niche mid. Riot didn't even think about them in her rework. So you can't even play her in that role anymore just because her kit is so ill equipped to handle a lane she was viable in before her rework. Did her fans want a health cost on her W? Nope, a good number of them didn't and that's still one of the biggest complaints about her from her fans.

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

Question, and this isn't meant to be sarcastic, but why do you decide to seek feedback on some champions meant to be reworked, while others you don't? Champions such as Mordekaiser and Cassiopeia wouldn't be so controversial if players had the chance to say what we liked about them. On the flip side, Sion, Gangplank, and Ashe seem to be popular reworks.

Leu072 votes

Is there in any future plans a possible revision and feedback on Cassiopeia and people who are discontent with her? Ty.

Ralanr4 votes

Shen huh? Didn't expect him to be coming up soon (relatively speaking).

I'm just gonna take a wild guess at which marksmen is going for the update. Ashe Corki Ezreal MissFortune Quinn Sivir Teemo Graves

Though if I had to lower that to say about 4 (because why not?): Graves Sivir MissFortune and/or Quinn/Corki.

Thanks for the heads up though! We've been dying for the knowledge. Quick question and I won't put it against you if you don't answer, what's Riot's view on Pantheon at the moment?

Pyrodinium10 votes

I don't know. Sivir seems to have a pretty solid strategic identity nowadays.

Ralanr11 votes

Really? How so?

Edit: Did I really deserve these downvotes? I'm generally curious. Or did I fail to notice sarcasm? Again.

EmittingXs1 votes

her overall kit kicks butt in more ways than one without being crazy OP or insane. she has her damaging and wave clearing Q and W. she has a shield that can negate other skills. plus her ult keeps getting barred down further and further but she still has a lot of potential without it. she can be pretty strong come late game even with 2 or 3 kills so she has a role to play in game and she plays it well while other marksmen fall off without a lot of kills or they just get out performed quickly.

all opinion based btw~

Ralanr2 votes

Good to know. Thanks.

Ayame Isaki8 votes

Ashe was just reworked.

Decrit2 votes

Probably she will still receive some touches to keep in par with the MM changes. not too heavy i suppose.

FloydR2 votes

Wouldn't be too surpriced if she indeed does see some changes. She's not bad, but if Riot thought of an interesting addition in her kit, I wouldn't be surpriced if they just add it.

Stars Shaper3 votes

Woha woha woha... So you are saying some MMs are going to be changed at the same level as Morde and Co.?

Can you already spoil us which are the Marksmen/women involved in it or most likely will?

RiotRiot Scruffy25 votes

There are a lot of them in progress, and we've mentioned a few already (MF/Quinn). Not sure if I should spoil the rest.

There will be a bunch of them with like 1 skill or mechanic change (like the juggernauts) focused on making them more unique. Some marksmen, Lucian and Graves for example, have a ton of overlap in playstyle and strengths/weaknesses. We hope to fix those type of overlaps.

On top of the characters getting "reworks" we are probably going to do a stat/scaling pass on nearly all of the marksmen to go with the updated marksmen items that are being worked on by the systems team.

JFKgamer2 votes

{quoted}

There are a lot of them in progress, and we've mentioned a few already (MF/Quinn). Not sure if I should spoil the rest.

There will be a bunch of them with like 1 skill or mechanic change (like the juggernauts) focused on making them more unique. Some marksmen, Lucian and Graves for example, have a ton of overlap in playstyle and strengths/weaknesses. We hope to fix those type of overlaps.

On top of the characters getting "reworks" we are probably going to do a stat/scaling pass on nearly all of the marksmen to go with the updated marksmen items that are being worked on by the systems team.

Since you mentioned Marksmen being updated ala. juggernaut style, does that mean that Quinn will be more of a botlane ADC (by being grouped together with the other ADCs) or will she stay as an assassin? I'm just terrified of you guys taking away mid/top/jungle-Quinn D;

It's aight if you don't want to answer.

Axx11 votes

Isn't there something to Lucian and Graves' overlapping playstyles that's interesting and enjoyable though?

This isn't coming out of a resistance to change, but I think their similarities provide a few things that league is otherwise lacking because of the fear of similarity design philosophy. For one, they create a sub-species of marksman that a player can purposefully direct their development toward, but they also provide for an interesting skill matchup in opposition and slight alternative in allied composition. I think they fill a similar niche in playstyle, but offer different enough assets to their composition when it comes down to why you'd decide on either one. Granting them a hypothetical equality in balance -- graves fits better into a wombo combo composition, while lucian fits better as a kiting and chasing duelist. The option to offer variety to your team while still being able to play to your stylistic strengths is a good thing, and something the adc role in particular suffers from (to clarify, ability-wise -- not auto-attack-wise, haha.)

Champion similarities can be healthy and good as long as what differences there are provide a unique identity, I think Lucian and Graves fulfill this concept beautifully.

FloydR4 votes

Please no Draven... PLEASE!

Dessem4 votes

A bunch of small marksmen updates (like the juggernauts)

I hope for merely three things:

  1. That Varus is on that list
  2. That they won't turn out the way the Juggernauts have
  3. That the Juggernauts will be balanced by that point

It honestly isn't fun when you have 3 ban slots and need to ban Darius/Garen/Mordekaiser at minimum because of how polarising these three are. You don't have enough ban slots for the rest of the champions you hate playing against. While each of those three are beatable (I think Skarner is completely beatable now), it's telling that Fiora, Garen, Darius and Mordekaiser have over 40% higher banrate than the next in line for top lane champions. That's how much people fear them!

I'd rather not see the marksmen update meet with similar concerns for too long, even if I'm excited at the prospect of reworks for my second-favourite role.

SupportBeastS102 votes

I've only seen Garen bans in about half the games today. Of the times unbanned, he got picked once, and he got absolutely dumstered. Garen has more counterplay than the others.

Chespin20132 votes

How long do we have to wait for updates to these guys to get some changes Yorick Warwick Urgot Fiddlesticks?

0sergo5 votes

shouldn't Urgot , Warwick & Evelynn be somewhere as well :( ?!

Nyx4046 votes

I would love a Warwick rework :3

Malicious Fury2 votes

Yay for BIG Poppy changes! ^_^/

A Superb Villain5 votes

The irony is delicious.

Curling Veigar2 votes

support

Bouffon dAnglais2 votes

ADC!!!

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