How do you even deal with Fizz (@Riot please explains how this is healthy and fair game design)

Magic Serwyn·4/22/2018, 11:21:23 PM·2 votes·1,315 views

Fizz is cancer, Fizz is unfair, that's nothing new. But check that video (happend to me today). How the hell can he kill me, how ? I dodged his Ult, dodged his jump but with only two spells he kills me ? What would it have been if he had touched ult ! He has no weak timing in lane, he can push faster than anyone, with his extremely long range ult he can treaten you from very very far, he roams very well and he doesn't fear ganks at all. Sure you will say, if he uses his jump to farm or escape a gank, he's vulnerable, attack him ! But no. He still can kill you with all his cd down, because as We just Saw, Q+W are enough, and his Q as such a very low cd. Tell me, Iwas 6-3-1, he was 5-4 with only one item, i dodged everything I could, and he still kills me easily. How is it fair ?

I mean If he can kill an opponent without being fed and with a single item with only two spells, why does he ever have the two other ?

4 Comments

Communist Toast4/22/2018, 11:24:40 PM2 votes

fizz killed a squishy adc easily? well dang, it's almost like he is an assassin or something.

My Waifu Vanilla4/23/2018, 12:42:28 AM1 votes

No MR champion complaining he got destroyed by an assassin who procced Lich Bane twice on him, ignited him, and got a FULL DAMAGE W on him. He had 5 kills as an Assassin and bought a damage item. You were 6/3 as an offmeta build (while still a level down btw) that bought an item that doesn't give you ANYTHING besides 20% CDR and barely over an NLR in AP in terms of combat stats.

Also, Fizz E doesn't do nearly as much damage as his W which was either rank 4 or rank 5 at this point depending on if he maxed it first or second.

Based on the clip you took (I will even assume rank 4 W for you):

116.6+93.3% AP from his W dot (you had the dot for 7 seconds) 20+110% AP from the two Qs (even if the second one was overkill he did get two on you) 132+100% AP from the 2 Lich Bane procs 180+120% AP from the W activation 160+30% AP from Electrocute 355 damage from Ignite.

This is all going against your 8 MR (34-18-8 from sorc and sudden impact with sudden impact having uptime for everything but the last 2 seconds of the dot and his last Q) meaning you only take 7.5% reduced damage from him bringing these numbers down to 562+419% AP (+355 from ignite). Assuming Fizz goes Dom+Resolve (its the more common one on probuilds and would make sense since Kaisa SHOULD bully him out of lane early) he gets 24 AP from runes (9+15 from a completed Chrysalis) and 115 AP from items bringing his AP to 139. This means to you he did a grand total of 1499 damage give or take like 20 damage either way due to rounding decimals throughout. Roughly 1500 magic/true damage. He auto'd you 6 times for 528 damage against your 59 armor (37% DR) meaning you also took 332 physical damage for a grand total of of about 1832 damage. You have 1317 health and ulted for 228 meaning you got overkilled by about 287 damage.

We could go with the circle jerk of "Fizz OP hurr durr" when the biggest mistake in this entire video is at 15 seconds where you E in instead of just being happy you got his ult down. You greeded for a kill and got punished. Fizz would have NEVER killed you if you didn't run into him. You're playing AP Kai'sa. A poke mage. Going for an EXTENDED all-in against a champion that can and WILL kill you because your champion simply does less damage than his unless they are stacking health is a stupid idea. It's either that or you dying with your barrier up which is another sign of complete greed, but hey what do I know. You played that perfectly and fizz is blatantly overpowered when you also made mistakes. /s even though I shouldn't have to type it.

Magic Serwyn4/23/2018, 8:27:47 AM1 votes

You both miss the point. It's not about did I play that perfectly, should I have had enough damages to kill him with my mana build or anything, It's about should an assassin still have enough damages to kill his target when he misses half his combo. No, he shouldn't (at this point in the game). If I miss Q and R with Ekko I won't kill anyone, I won't remove half the health of a squishy adc. If I miss W and R with LeBlanc at this stage I clearly won't kill anyone. If you dodge his Q and trick his ult, Zed won't kill you. But Fizz can. And he has the most insane threat zone, none of the above maintains you outside minions xp range.