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Changes to reduce jungle pressure on lane early didn't work

Magic Serwyn·6/11/2018, 10:21:03 AM·29 votes·11,443 views

Changes to jungle were supposed to reduce ganking power from junglers, and let lanes be a bit less decided by junglers. Personally I'm even more ganked than I was before. Every single game I'm ganked level 2 (without even having the time to push !) and the lane is more than ever determined by the jungler. Its quite frustrating really to crush your opponent but be ganked 5 times in 5 minutes, and it is even more frustrating when you know that you soon when he has more stuff you won't be able to do anything. I hope you guys at Riot will continue to make some changes so that lane depends less on junglers. Also, I feel that juglers decide the game even more than before, because they can both make lanes win AND hard carry the game, with picks like Yi. In the very large majority of my games, win corralates well with which junglers has the best score, while the toplane score has low correlation with win. I made no stats, it the impression I have. Just my feedback

40 Comments

Eedat6/11/2018, 5:44:46 PM7 votes

Jungle straight up hard nerfed without compensation

"Hurr durr the jungle is stronger now guise"

The shitposts on this board are mindblowing sometimes

The Yetii Rider6/11/2018, 12:43:50 PM6 votes

The thing is, at this point your jungler is at a better point than ever to punish the enemy jungler for screwing up a gank. If you survive, then your jungler is capable of counterjungling the enemy and setting them very far behind. It's not uncommon these days to see one jungler at level 7 while the other is level 9.

ChargeItDownMid6/11/2018, 1:08:09 PM4 votes

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Malak6/11/2018, 6:54:41 PM4 votes

a lot of people on these forums need to git gud and stop blaming everything else

You dont want to get ganked at lvl 2?? Ez. Just ward the path to their red at 1:20 seconds.

It caught me offguard because I didn't level 1 ward, but after ADAPTING I can safely say I have never died to a lvl 2 gank

AirKingNeo6/11/2018, 7:38:51 PM3 votes

"We hate level 3 ganks while top/mid lane are lv2"

Riot: Here's level 2 ganks then!

SwiftKitten886/11/2018, 5:49:24 PM3 votes

my normal jungle route in 8.11 is now: blue gromp scuttle "gank" the closest land and steal enough exp to hit 3 (2 minions if solo laner)

there IS no "failed gank" unless you or your ally ally DIES.

in 8.9 and before... my first gank was normally after i did a full clear at around 4:30

i if i dont steal lane exp to hit lvl 3 will be too low to clear anyways and i would have to back, and with not enough gold to buy anything useful.

so i am literally FORCED to do a lvl 2 gank

Rexxiee6/11/2018, 9:33:30 PM2 votes

Jg needs hard nerfs already, they need to stop ruining the laning phase for solo laners.

Poop Jelly6/11/2018, 6:00:51 PM2 votes

A constructive post without bashing producers? Is this real?

Anyways, I do agree with you. I play all sorts of lanes (mainly support), but I do see the jungle roster has decreased in [competitive] picks, and those who thrived in the jungle still be able to gank at early level and if the other jungler can't do the same, that's a huge advantage. Junglers feel to me like either has to be an influential impact in early ganking phases or a well-farmed hypercarry to be relevant; anything in between is a fun/non-competitive pick.

The only thing I'm grateful about all these changes in the Jungle is the introduction of a new role for Taliya. That was more of changes from her kit, but still a nice surprise.

Raeyxx6/11/2018, 9:15:33 PM2 votes

Agreed. Prior to this season, I was never ganked before lvls 4-5. Now, I end up having to use my flash before I even hit lvl 2, just to avoid being first blood.

I'm willing to adapt, of course. But if the goal was to reduce early ganks, it failed miserably.

rtbf2216514126/12/2018, 1:02:32 AM2 votes

Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

Not that it has nothing to do with jungle and everything to do with damage, removal of the jungle warding, sightstone, nerfing jungle (making gank junglers desperate for ganks) and removing earlier wards for supports. No, everything has to be jungles fault. Someone has to be the scapegoat, right?

BigFBear6/12/2018, 2:38:52 AM2 votes

I am Voli otp and since the new Jungle i gank directly after second buff with Lvl 2 (or sometimes even after first buff on botlaner after leashe) he is pretty good for that since E and Q is enough for a decent gank. I have to say it works even better. But new jungle in general is shit, yes.

Jaygo416/12/2018, 4:18:32 PM1 votes

You must be joking if you think jungle got stronger. You either don't have a minimap enabled or you really think that the game is limited to only your lane.

5050BS6/12/2018, 10:23:38 AM1 votes

Yep you still get ganked at 3-4m

koshkyra6/12/2018, 11:45:42 AM1 votes

I just played a game where i was ganked by a xin at 1:45 and then again at 2:30 when i got back to lane, then another attempt at like 4:00. Legit he just stood in my lane not even trying to farm and was like 5 levels behind my jungler at the end of the laning phase.

Yep that was fun

Noor Sakata6/12/2018, 12:00:31 AM1 votes

true , agreed , junglers still gank , but a lvl 2 gank is better than a lvl 3 , maybe the scuttler change wasn't needed , but what are your suggestions to make junglers gank less?

rtbf2234347216/12/2018, 12:01:11 PM1 votes

The porpose of a jungle is to provide their team with a game advantage.

For that they can: Gank Farm and autoscale Counter jungle Force objectives

Each have pros and cons, and can work better or worse.

Right now the best u can do is Gank and Force objectives (Rift Scuttler). If you can gain a lead u can Counter jungle and try to shut down the enemy jungler permanently.

Laners will not be ganked less. If your jungler falls behind he can be shut down by the other jungler and force you in a disadvantage situation similar to a 4 vs 5 (this work better now).

The Jungler role was gutted but laners didn't gain nothing from it. Now if laners dont help their jungler if he needs, they can be in a big desavantage and end up losing the game even if they perform good.