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Riot, why was poppy balanced around being a tank.

Fidget The Blue··2 votes·1,144 views

Poppy Reworked Poppy when she came out was balanced around being a fighter/bruiser building a lot like champs like Darius, Irelia and the like. At the time she was balanced but a bit on the weaker side. It slowly came to everyone's attention that much like Ekko, Poppy was incredibly strong building full tank, so as well as like Ekko everyone started building full tank on her. And so why is it that Ekko is now balanced around the way most people enjoy playing him (as an assassin) but Poppy was not (Very few people play tank Poppy right now, and I've never heard from anyone how fun tank Poppy is, while bruiser poppy was played tons until the Overpowered tank build was proven to be insanely more effective (once again just like assassin Ekko to Tank Ekko). She is now among one of the least popular champions in the game, surely balancing her around her original widely liked rework design is a better idea than keeping her in this state.

19 Comments

Veigarisgod16 votes

Very few people play tank Poppy right now,

what She's literally only built as a full tank. https://champion.gg/champion/Poppy

there are only like 60 times when she has gone bruiser

Fidget The Blue1 votes

I meant as in general. Very few people play Poppy right now and the only way they build her is full tank.

Ralanr2 votes

Because she was meant to be built as a tank.

DraygenBiscuit6 votes

Ekko wasn't made to be a tank. Poppy was. Stop comparing unlike things to attempt to make a point.

Veigarisgod12 votes

nah dude she's clearly an AD assassin.

DraygenBiscuit1 votes

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nah dude she's clearly an AD assassin.

Poppy the Ad Assassin..... Why do I want to try this...

Veigarisgod11 votes

i tried it. don't.

Fidget The Blue1 votes

I tried, it's fun. But after the range nerfs you just get kited and murdered by any decent player, unless you're willing to spend a flash. The nerf to Mobi boots is also fairly crippling.

Fidget The Blue1 votes

Poppy wasn't made to be a tank at the start, she was widely built as a bruiser, her in game recommended items STILL are bruiser items.

Daszkal2 votes

but I enjoy being unkillable as tank Poppy, it's her primary role after all, besides she can still be played off-tank.

What I don't enjoy is assassins building tank and getting away with it, IMO I think they should nerf the assassins(the ones who're known to build tank) damage, so they'll be force into building assassin again.

Big Lincoln1 votes

poppy being reworked as anything but the hardest carry was a crime, imo

really sad what they did to her

Daszkal1 votes

But it was so hard to get to that point as Old Poppy, she relied too much on kills and couldn't farm well without Ravenous Hydra, and you have to play her like an assassin to be effective which clashed with her theme and role(Dwarven Fighter)...also people made fun of her looks, like they do with Urgot, which is one of the reasons why she was rarely played.

New Poppy can now farm decently, doesn't relies on kills, and became harder to be killed. She also matches her theme and role(Dwarven Defender) now and she is cute and has more players than she originally had and she's not being called "Poopy" anymore.

Big Lincoln1 votes

I'm not saying 'keep old poppy,' I'm saying that completely ruining the theme of being a heavy-hitting melee carry was a shit idea and they should've expanded on that rather than scrap it.

she doesn't match her theme at all, 'hammer diplomacy' doesn't strike me as someone playing on defense.

her new kit's not even that good with itself, she clearly wants to be a diver but can't because she has shit range and a shitty ult that contradicts the rest of her. not to mention her awful fanfic-tier personality and lore.

Daszkal1 votes

But they didn't scrap the heavy-hitting melee carry idea, just remade it into Kled.

Hench why I said she was clashing with her Dwarven Fighter theme, "Hammer Diplomacy" was suppose to force a 1 on 1 like Legion Commander's Ult from Dota2 , but it didn't work out how it suppose to.

Blame Riot for over nerfing her, but Riot want her to be a Dwarven Defender(Warden) who counterattacks and protect her team, that's the reason why they gave her a disengage/semi-initiate ult, nerfed her ranges and buffed up her Passives and MS active/base stat.

But I do understand, what you are saying, but she can still carry(I do it a few times) just requires more skill than with Old Poppy.

At least she now has a personality and her lore is more than "I'm Batman."

Big Lincoln1 votes

i blame riot for a crappy rework and a voice I have to mute to be able to bear her

at the very least I could enjoy her when she built a bunch of AD and functioned like a bruiser, but riot hates anything that's fun so I guess I'll have to learn Kled

Aptest1 votes

poppy was never made fun of because of her looks. and also people liked her old look and also her old personality which was badass.

she was not played because she was a weak lane VS many opponents and her mostly single target kit and situational CC made jungling with her a chore.

Daszkal1 votes

Her looks did play a factor because alot of people said it was her face is why they didn't even buy her and play her, go look up why people didn't play Old Poppy from the old GD boards, and go look up all those comments in Surrender at 20 when they reveal her rework, you can see it all over the place. Champions appearance does effect playrate.

They liked her old look as much as people like Urgot, that is why I said it was one the reasons why she was rare.

What you said was the other reasons why she was rare.

Which was the reason people started to nickname her "Poopy", because they thought she was ugly and useless.

http://leaguememe.com/uploads/league/8055024133.jpg

Anonagon1 votes

I've always been a huge proponent of Poppy being an offensive fighter over being a defensive tank, but you really have got it wrong. Since her rework, Riot has always been pushing her as a defensive tank. She isn't some Ekko who was being played tank when Riot meant him to be an assassin.

Niyumi1 votes

I build Poppy like a bruiser, and I can still carry games with her (in fact, she's one of my strongest jungle picks). The E range nerf hurt, and the AA reset on her passive is gone, but the buff to Triforce makes her feel good again AA wise, and her buffs to MS and whatnot make it a bit easier to catch people. If you go full AD you still do a lot of damage, she's just not a free win like she used to be.

Warrior (or BC for lane) + Triforce + Tabi + Sterak's + Spirit Visage + Randuin's (or Maw).

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