As Ivern main I have to explain how my abilites works almost every game

BTheM·Apr 10, 2019·15 votes·10,390 views

and this could be another reason why he has lower pickrate

yes I know, Ivern has very low pick rate

but it's very frustrating that almost every game my teammates don't know how Ivern work

I don't remember how many times ganks failed just because they don't know how my Q works

and how many extra buffs wasted just because they didn't know that it exists

I actually thought that it's a low elo problem, after asking high elo Ivern one-trick players they told me that it's like this even at challenger

I lost all of my motivation to rank up, I wanted to reach high rank hoping that people know how my abilities works

there are also many other champions with problems like these ( Bard's W for example)

I don't know how Riot can fix this and I don't think it's even possible

38 Comments

RavenhaleApr 10, 201913 votes

You don't leash but you still watch for invades. Don't know how many times I've been told to go away when that's the actual reason why I'm standing at the jungle entrance. (This isn't Ivern specific as several Kayn and Shaco junglers tend to freak out when people aren't going afk at their towers).

BTheMApr 10, 20191 votes

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You don't leash but you still watch for invades. Don't know how many times I've been told to go away when that's the actual reason why I'm standing at the jungle entrance. (This isn't Ivern specific as several Kayn and Shaco junglers tend to freak out when people aren't going afk at their towers).

I don't ask my teammates to go back to lane until I know it's safe

if they start attacking the buff I ping them to go away

most of the time they lose hp and go back to lane

theChibiTinaApr 10, 20191 votes

I know that feeling. To have to explain you know they don't need a leash, you just want to make sure they don't get invaded and die causing them to fall behind (which right now is almost impossible to come back from).

XJ99999999999999Apr 10, 20191 votes

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You don't leash but you still watch for invades. Don't know how many times I've been told to go away when that's the actual reason why I'm standing at the jungle entrance. (This isn't Ivern specific as several Kayn and Shaco junglers tend to freak out when people aren't going afk at their towers).

meanwhile here I am having to ping "assist me" on the spots my team should be when the instantly B line to their towers and afk or awkward bushes

ModAcademy KaynApr 11, 20192 votes

~~The amount of times I've lost health from being leashed on raptors is infuriating~~. I always say "Starting chickens, but watch for invades" to keep people up in the know, yo.

Pandemic PunchApr 10, 20195 votes

Tahm Kench feels your pain. ADC's never stop clicking when you save them. Poor things are like picking a small dog up out of the water. They still kicks their legs as if they are the ones still swimming.

Zero ShingetsuApr 10, 20193 votes

I remember when I mained Ivern for a while and people kept outright dodging games because I picked Ivern...

kuzzy47Apr 11, 20191 votes

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I remember when I mained Ivern for a while and people kept outright dodging games because I picked Ivern...

Most should be happy they have a second support but nahh ivern useless.

hrooza dota Apr 11, 20193 votes

i voted yes even tho i know his abilitys

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

SyrileApr 10, 20192 votes

I love Ivern! I commend you for being an Ivern main. :D And honestly... I wish more people helped guard for invades or warded or protected their JG and understood how to deal with enemy JGs as well. I main mid and a large part of my job is focused on putting my JG ahead and keeping them safe. Sadly, with random lower elo JGs they do not know about giving over blue so I cannot have the mana to help them in those games... and they never pay attention to lane priority. -_- However! An Ivern gives double buffs. :D And is wonderful if I am playing say... Malzahar, so I can instantly go in on them and ulti-them after they are rooted. :D

Blue Moon WolfApr 11, 20192 votes

I think things would go a long way if Riot could figure out an intuitive way to help explain some of the weirder mechanics champs have while in game. Like having a sort of "optional side quest" message thing to tell you things like:

has left a present at (Insert name of buff monster). Pick it up if you wish to gain a (insert buff name). is in your jungle. He won't need your help with the small camps but always be mindful of enemies trying to sneak into his jungle for him. has left a shrine. Let it fully charge to get most possible HP from it. is marking targets. Let them get kills on these targets to allow them to gain more power. GRAB. THE. LANTERN! Has sent you a friend request. click the black spear on the ground to accept. Let him have the kills to maximize gold profit for whole team. Upgrade an item with a Ornn master work upgrade. limited 1 per customer.

hrooza dota Apr 11, 20191 votes

thresh and pyke dont need one imo the deal here is thresh throw his lantern in heated times so a lot of players reaction is not fast enough and that wont change if theres a text in the side or something ( cant count how many times i throw it only for my adc to cry hard about his bad reaction to it and say mb).

pyke can take kills if he time it right even if ally are attacking , however if an enemy have a shut down its better for pyke to leave that (1000 on adc is better then 1000 on pyke and 300 on adc).

ThreshHubApr 11, 20191 votes

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thresh and pyke dont need one imo the deal here is thresh throw his lantern in heated times so a lot of players reaction is not fast enough and that wont change if theres a text in the side or something ( cant count how many times i throw it only for my adc to cry hard about his bad reaction to it and say mb).

Thresh needs it the most. Sometimes you leave base and someone is there so you throw the lantern to cover some distance and they just ignore it. Other times you engage and throw it at your jungler to bring him in and he'll ignore it and flash or waste a movement ability.

hrooza dota Apr 11, 20191 votes

will the first part is mostly because they are looking at something else , and most likely will notice it late even if it says so in chat.

tho the jungle throw is also kind of heated moment i would say

Chembaron YamadaApr 11, 20191 votes

The Kalista one should say something else. You can't accept nor deny Kalista making you your soulbound, she clicks you with the spear and the animation happens, you have no say over it.

However, there should be a mission telling you that:

you get pulled in by Kalistas ult, click to dash in a target direction and knock up all enemies hit, also you don't HAVE to knock up enemies with it, sometimes a Kalista burns it to let you dash in safety
Kalista leaves a marker above the head of the enemies, attack the same target for bonus damage.

And the Pyke one, dude.... Last match I played, I got ping spammed and flamed by the Kai'Sa in my team for "kill stealing" with my ultimate and I was like "Do you know what my ult does? It LITERALLY gives both of us the full kill gold!"

Blue Moon WolfApr 11, 20191 votes

Yea, mostly I was just going through champs with weird mechanics that I thought allies may need to be aware of, especially new players not familiar with anything past the basics. But the basic concept of this I think would help out a lot.

KoggyStyleApr 11, 20191 votes

kin was buffed she gets marks from assist for awhile now.

Bløød ZerøApr 11, 20191 votes

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I think things would go a long way if Riot could figure out an intuitive way to help explain some of the weirder mechanics champs have while in game. Like having a sort of "optional side quest" message thing to tell you things like: is in your jungle. He won't need your help with the small camps but always be mindful of enemies trying to sneak into his jungle for him. has left a shrine. Let it fully charge to get most possible HP from it. is marking targets. Let them get kills on these targets to allow them to gain more power. GRAB. THE. LANTERN! Has sent you a friend request. click the black spear on the ground to accept. Let him have the kills to maximize gold profit for whole team. Upgrade an item with a Ornn master work upgrade. limited 1 per customer.

Kindred doesn't need kills on monsters nor champs to get marks just assists or dmg alone on either will give it to her. This allows her to give up blue and red but still stack. A kindred player knows this hidden memo.

ButterwoodApr 10, 20191 votes

I always explain when the game starts to be safe. There's usually at least one death per game that is attributed to people interacting with Ivern's Q incorrectly though.

OtterlyLostApr 10, 20191 votes

I know how his Q works but I admit that its gotten me killed a few times, both as a different champion and when I'm actually playing Ivern. .-.; I always forget until I get pulled that it draws you to a person. Or worse, I remember but misclick.

KFCeytronApr 10, 20194 votes

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I always explain when the game starts to be safe. There's usually at least one death per game that is attributed to people interacting with Ivern's Q incorrectly though.

> teammate jukes enemy Blitz Q > enemy Blitz doesn't juke your Q > teammate clicks Blitz > an ally has been slain

l MrD lApr 10, 20191 votes

I feel like its similar to bard ... im bard and i create a tunnel over to drag to attempt a steal ... what do they do ... flash over and suddenly have no escape or seed over and force to flash out .... RIP flash and RIP wasted tunnel ...

Kai GuyApr 10, 20192 votes

Step on shrines with full hp for no reason. Great... im down MP for no gains. Instantly run to shrines with out letting them grow. Great, you get half the healing for the MP i just spent. Ignore shrines when you have max down and all are grown. Great... your not fixing your missing hp, im not playing raka or sona you have to actually interact with my heal but you don't so now im stuck waiting to get another shrine to start growth.

Plus, Tunnel misuse like MRD said. I tend use them in base to lane whenever i recall or respawn for enhanced MS but teamamtes walk by some of the long range Tunnels that only will give them more MS to return.

Rage if your oom and leave lane to collect a chime for %MP, "OMG 1v2 I hate bards!" Bruhh if im oom then odds are i am very much participating in lane or i wouldent have drained my entire MP pool. Often times its cuz i have to keep burning W... as much as id like to lay this at the feet of the adc there are entirely games where its my own fault for being aggressive and getting poked/outtraded so i wont make that claim. But even then that's participation.

People casting and whiffing ability's trying to catch some one as your R ends then blaming you. Look If during the cast/travel time and Stasis your whiffing a Varus because you cast it before stasis ended... that's on you. Its already been a few seconds before you attempted this cast... what.. are you lagging bro? My abilitys already on CD and landed on them befor your even in range to cast. you burned flash and R on them IN stasis and timed it badly. Yes... tell me more about how its my fault your R did not land.

KFCeytronApr 11, 20191 votes

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Step on shrines with full hp for no reason. Great... im down MP for no gains. Instantly run to shrines with out letting them grow. Great, you get half the healing for the MP i just spent. Ignore shrines when you have max down and all are grown. Great... your not fixing your missing hp, im not playing raka or sona you have to actually interact with my heal but you don't so now im stuck waiting to get another shrine to start growth.

I see people do all this stuff all the time and it pisses me off even when I'm not the Bard. And you know if you say a single word about it they'll scream at you to mask their insecurities about making a mistake. I just roll my eyes and make a note to Honor the Bard for "chill."

Kai GuyApr 10, 20191 votes

I don't leash for ivern but i will always watch for invades and also try to avoid behaviors that blatantly give away what camp he starts. Its just another case of USE THE LANTERN FFS GUYS when people don't bother to learn the basic mechanics behind all champions.

Edit. I had a notepad saved back in the day that had the basics stuff about kit interactions for Thresh, then later for Bard. Would just open it and copy paste at game start. Saved me a lot of time. You might wanna do this for ivern op.

Mael JadeApr 10, 20191 votes

I play Ivern. While in loading screen I prepare a copy pasta explaining my stuff. Works, mostly

Ahri BakaApr 10, 20191 votes

Yeah the best way to piss an Ivern main off is to try to leash them lmao

Frog goes mooApr 10, 20191 votes

I'm happy that he started to be picked up more by alot of people during the jungle exp nerfs so now alot more people know what he does. But yeah, I think they need to make his Q "pull" indicator more sensible to people that don't know what he does.

Autrah FangApr 10, 20191 votes

Yeah, back when Skarner had an extremely low pick rate I refused to play him cuz trying to explain his spires every single game got tiring. So, can confirm that that's potentially one reason why Ivern's pickrate is so low XD

A7X KindredApr 10, 20191 votes

Plat 4 right now (i just dropped from Plat2 cuz i got tilted) I've only encountered like 4 guys who didn't know what ivern does, 1 guy tried to hit the monster as i was applying my passive and he got hit twice by it and the other 3 where guys who didn't know that at lvl5 i can give them buffs, but apart from that everyone kinda know what ivern does or i'm just lucky AF (28 games and 61% winrate on ivern)

VentingPaladinApr 10, 20191 votes

Feels like Ivern is turning into Old Yorick , cause nobody but people who played him knew how his ult worked. Plenty of games where people were paniced because they didn't know what was happening to them when they should've died. It had great synergy with Sion though.

AnotherFeederApr 11, 20191 votes

Y-your... your sole motivation to rank up was to not need to tell people u dont need a leash? 0.o

WAZZZUP500Apr 11, 20191 votes

Same with morde, people dont know that my w heals them. But, it is funny when the enemy dies cause they didn't know my ult was dot. Once i killed a tryndamere with the dot; he didn't think to use ult or rage heal cause he didn't even notice he was dying lol.

GudLunchHavFriesApr 11, 20191 votes

This was me as Zilean before his mini rework.

while its common knowledge now, there was once a time when NOBODY knew how Zil's ult worked.

I had games where I ulted people, they run away, wasting my ult, and when I ask why they said stuff like "Who the fuck knows how zilean works man"

Tho now that people DO know how he works, enemies bait my ult now, so I ult a teammate mid fight and the enemies won't attack him so he doesn't get the revive.

So either way whether people know how Zil's ult works or they don't, I'm fucked either way. :/

KoggyStyleApr 11, 20191 votes

too be there* incase of a invade yes.

btw i cant play this champ at all but i do play em occassionly on aram or bots.

Bløød ZerøApr 11, 20191 votes

Lol Vlad is popular in pick and ban but ppl still don't understand his ult mark lasts 4 seconds and whole it is applied it increases ALL dmg to them by 10% including turrets and dragons. More than 75% don't even know it marks them then bursts for more dmg let alone the 10% part.

FioraWillCarryApr 13, 20191 votes

I met a dude once who thought I was taking his CS. I was playing Leona with Relic Shield.

L RayquazaApr 13, 20191 votes

On a similar note, until he got popular (and a little bit after) donyou know how fun it is seeing someone accept their fate instead of attacking the ring when you trap them as Yorick?