So now there's going to be true stealth... Then what the fuck is true sight?

Mari De Bona··145 votes·22,088 views

I thought true-sight was just that, it was impossible to sneak past, if you're in the vision radius of true-sight you're revealed no questions.

But now Akali is apparently immune to this and can waltz under towers without a care in the world?

CertainlyT, oof... you're just oof.

132 Comments

Chembaron Yamada114 votes

Ok, Riot, I get the pattern.

Here are some ideas for your next upcoming VGUs:

Rammus W: reduces incoming damage (including true damage) by 70% DrMundo every healing that he receives is completely unaffected by Grievious Wounds

Please send me my payment check until next week. :^)

Jerry SeinfeId9 votes

tbh, that rammus change would be perfectly fine.

Chembaron Yamada25 votes

Damn, you right, that not broken. But fear not, I am a design genius and immediately came up with something to fix that problem!

Rammus has true health now! His health bar cannot be affected by any damage whatsoever!

Bob the Toastr5 votes

Then they'll have to come up with TRUE true damage to affect him. Not that fake true damage.

Saianna9 votes

Please send me my payment check until next week. :^)

Sorry but you haven't ruined a game before, nor had you gone into hissy fit after someone criticizing you. We can only offer you a solid-wet whack of silence.

Zone of Endless38 votes

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Ok, Riot, I get the pattern.

Here are some ideas for your next upcoming VGUs:

Rammus W: reduces incoming damage (including true damage) by 70% DrMundo every healing that he receives is completely unaffected by Grievious Wounds

Please send me my payment check until next week. :^)

no no

Grievous wound now double mundo's healing

mundo is a masochist so it make sense

Chembaron Yamada11 votes

Give this man his dollars, Riot! $$$

Ayanami3rd5 votes

Fire Ghostcrawler in favor of this guy please.

Agent Corgi3 votes

DrMundo : "Healing & Damage are reversed. Taking Damage will heal Mundo for the same amount & healing will damage him for the same amount."

FakeGravity1 votes

"now soraka can target mundo to damage him" new rpg like undead mechanic?

Agent Corgi2 votes

Soraka : Heals Mundo during his Ulti DrMundo : After taking damage from Soraka's heal "Why you Bully me?"

ModCaliCoastReplay6 votes

{quoted}

Ok, Riot, I get the pattern.

Here are some ideas for your next upcoming VGUs:

Rammus W: reduces incoming damage (including true damage) by 70% DrMundo every healing that he receives is completely unaffected by Grievious Wounds

Please send me my payment check until next week. :^)

Weak sauce.

DrMundo : During his ult, he cannot be reduced below full health, and his health bar grows to five times the size, starts glowing, detaches from him and goes around beating the hell out of any enemy champion inside 1000 range. Yasuo : His dash is now spammable on any point in the map without an enemy, knocks everyone it passes through airborne, and his ult slices enemy champions in half permanently. Rammus : No longer takes damage at all, lag is his only enemy, but every 250 seconds for "balance" he lies down for a short nap.

Daddy Ants42 votes

CTT's got a gleaming track record... Kappa

Thresh Yasuo Zoe

Now this....

TehNACHO8 votes

What's wrong with Thresh?

OverpoweredSoap19 votes

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What's wrong with Thresh?

He was way too strong when he was first released and had way too much in his kit and took a while to balance out.

iirc it took a few seasons to balance him out too, he crowded out every other support because his only weakness was a lack of sustain, he had good damage (in a time where supports didn't really do that much damage unless they built it and they couldn't because they had less gold and worse itemization) great CC, great engage, great disengage and was tanky enough. He had pretty much everything except, like I said earlier, sustain. Not to mention his Lantern which is incredibly strong as it offers a unique way of engage and disengaging a fight that pretty much no one else can do.

He did too much at once while generally not being that weak at anything. He was a generalist that was great at everything instead of okay at everything.

Thresh generally isn't a problem anymore but that's because of him having to get changed constantly and other supports actually getting more gold income as well as getting new items as well as the introduction of new supports.

He wasn't that much of an issue for long (like obviously not as long as Janna's been an issue) but he had a very overloaded kit that constantly needed changes over the course of a year or two (at least if I remember how long he needed nerfing correctly).

EDIT: Changed some wording so I wasn't exaggerating how long he was strong.

TehNACHO10 votes

Well this doesn't sound like CT's fault necessarily then.

First of all I'm really biased against the balance team because I'm convinced they do not talk to Design team members and balance everything the wrong way (for example not touching Yasuo's damage but nerfing his Utilities, literally his defining features at the time). A champion taking a long time to balance is a failure of the balance team.

And if we're comparing really old designs to Thresh on the basis that he brings a lot of new to the table, what do we say to modern post-Thresh Supports like Braum, Rakan, and hell Pyke. Would we hate them just as much for the same reasons? Or what if Thresh never broke the mold and we never get interesting designs like the ones I mentioned and we just get more Jannas.

Also for the generalist comment, remember over this same period of time Lee Sin, Elise, and Evelynn/Vi were dominating the jungle despite being generalists. Again, I see this as a mark against the balance team than CT and Thresh, as well as Lee Sin and Elise and Vi's designers in particular ('old' Eve is more debatable in my eyes)

Design and balance are two totally different issues by the way. I can see where you're coming from with the Balance arguments, but I really don't respect the Balance team's decisions and have played through a lot of their philosophies. However, I don't think the design argument that he stands out compared to other Supports in his release is a very valid one. Hell I know I've seen posts and videos praising Thresh for breaking ground and enabling more interesting playmaking Support designs. At best I can accept the generalist problem as a problem, but that can be handled with good balance decisions.

skulldeadboss6 votes

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What's wrong with Thresh?

It was the most gamedefining champ and had to be nerfed patch after patch for 2 years after his release

Kelg33 votes

LeeSin "Blindness is no impairment against a smelly enemy."

Ayzev17 votes

This is like when children are thinking of super powers and constantly try to one-up each other

"I can become invisible!" "Hah! Joke's on you, I have true sight! I can see you even when you're invisible!" "Oh really? Well then, I got true invisibility, which makes me invisible even against those who can see the invisible!"

Nea10413 votes

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CertainlyT, oof... you're just oof.

Who pays him is worse :D

Giga Baboon10 votes

It's a certainlyt champion, his champions don't have to obey the rules of league of legends, the snowflake thinks that if he doesn't have to follow rules his champions are therefore unique, when in reality it just shows how lazy he is as a designer.

CudyDarkyz9 votes

What we need now is "REALLY TRUE SIGHT" to counter it

Malak8 votes

Next up they're going to add True Armor...wait Riot doesn't like anything that prevents MOAR DAMGE

Okay, next up we will see True Mobility - immune to cc, grounding, etc

then True Healing - immune to GW

then True True - ??

Rıots Bad Client4 votes

Olaf

MasterYi

True movement speed?

Luxana Crowngard7 votes

True damage, True Sight, True Stealth, True Armor?, True Magic Resist?, True Health? What's next :eyes:

GripaAviara2 votes

True win - auto win game if you reach at 20 min

FilDaFunk6 votes

Towers even more useless

GripaAviara3 votes

Patch 9.0: we have removed towers and replaced them with cannon minions

Azteryz5 votes

"cries in Destiny" TwistedFate

Terozu4 votes

Omfg true stealth was already a thing and has been since the stealth rework.

Furthermore Akali fucking had true stealth.

The only change to her stealth is that turrets dont target her.

Chembaron Yamada24 votes

The term you are referring to is invisibility, not true stealth. And invisibility gets countered by true sight, which is logical. Just like true damage can not be reduced, true sight was supposed to grant sight on everything, no matter what.

Now they invalidate the term true sight, since it no longer does what the name implies. You don't have vision on Akali.

Btw: that does affect more than just towers like you are saying. There are abilities in this game applying true sight, keeping enemies visible even if they use an invisibility spell.


At this point, I wonder when we will see a tank champion who is able to reduce true damage through his kit.

Terozu4 votes

She can still be revealed by turrets and abilities like jinx w.

She just cannot be targetted by auto attacks or targetted spells this includes turrets.

statelesskiller2 votes

the trailer showed her invisible even while under tower, we know its not her tower because it shoots her, maybe just MAYBE theres something going on we didnt pay attention to. wait for the next cycle i guess, but im pretty sure its as bad as we think

Terozu3 votes

She is still revealed under tower.

But she is not targetable by auto attacks or targetted abilities.

We have her full kit.

https://youtu.be/eduDezPvJ2M

Ok sure but why2 votes

I saw some behind-the-scenes video of her walking around the enemy spawn pool without getting attacked, and it wasn't in Practice Mode

oh well

Terozu2 votes

Yeah i heard about that...

Idk what to make of it- but ive heard about it.

FakeGravity4 votes

get ready for truer sight.. but in all seriousness at least let champion true sight affect her like morgana's ult so she have a counter, is not like morgana mid is popular right now or that morgana support would want to walk in the middle of that shroud

Ok sure but why4 votes

XinZhao Find me an unmovable object, and I shall put this question to rest! TwistedFate Find me an invisible object, and I stall put this question to rest!

Sweet Victory3 votes

Apparently, its a new stealth thing called obscured. This makes me wonder if new champions will have this broken lka;dhga;lsgh makes tower diving so easy ggez stopwatch meta R.I.P elise tower diving queen powercreep mechanic in the future [sg-poppy]

Meme God Shrek3 votes

Next up: True Targeting, even if a champion is supposed to be untargetable (Sanguine Pool, Playful Trickster, Rappel, etc.) you can still target them.

LordGeovanni3 votes

Can i get some true armor and true magic resist please

Colton1472 votes

Akali is going to be released incredibly weak like Ornn Kaisa Swain Aatrox and is going to badly be in need of compensation buffs.

Chembaron Yamada17 votes

Akali will simply have a low winrate at first because they increased the difficulty to play her. They definitely have to avoid hotfix buffing this time, just look what happened to Aatrox, just because people refused to learn his new kit first.

PopcornBunni6 votes

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Akali will simply have a low winrate at first because they increased the difficulty to play her. They definitely have to avoid hottie buffing this time, just look what happened to Aatrox, just because people refused to learn his new kit first.

Aatrox still needs usability fixes. N o o n e was asking for the straight rediculous number buffs to his kit. Fix his awkward Q E cast lockout and revert the buffs.

Terozu4 votes

Literally almost all of the Aatrix posts were asking for buffs.

TehNACHO5 votes

Ehh

The ones I read were about the janky interaction between his Q and autos. You want to A-Q-A-Q-A-Q-A but the hitbox on his Q makes the first two Qs or the first three autos fairly clunky.

Granted, it seems a lot of people realized 'who cares'/lead with Q1 and Passive auto, but for the similarities with Riven and at least some justification for trying to auto attack a lot with him, it was the relevant problem I noticed on the Boards.

KingBlackthorn12 votes

It is one character in the game that has it. Stop overreacting ffs. Her new rework is also way harder to use than her current state, so she probs wont be played after a week.

MetalGearTeemo8 votes

Ah yes, "the Yasuo scale"

where you have so many buttons to outplay your opponent you may accidentally trip over one of them when you can decide between which one to use.

TyroneWatermelon2 votes

i actually couldn't care less who worked on akali until i opened the boards today and OF FUCKING COURSE its CertaintlyCancer

Spank the Fox3 votes

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i actually couldn't care less who worked on akali until i opened the boards today and OF FUCKING COURSE its CertaintlyCancer

It was announced months ago he was working on Akali, how this is news is beyond me.

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