Ziggs is already a master at wave clear; Luden's just gives it him for far cheaper gold then before. Also It gives him a lot more damage to champs (especially on ult!) Anyone else think this is a little too broken for Ziggs?
Original Quitter2 votesActually if you take the time to do the math, you'll find that Ludens sucks on just about everyone.
You just think it feels better, but its really not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-MiS1pfCwk
When it comes to Ziggs there may be an early game wave clear argument to be made, especially if you are lowish Elo you may find a Ludens is better simply due to the fact your CSing improves.
Humble2Him1 votesSo I watched most of your video (I think I got the point fairly quickly), There is no AP like Rabbadon. However, as a second major AP item on a champ that can play from such a safe distance (meaning could play without a zhonya's in the right comp), that is strong AP, plus the proc. Now it is little easier to say I can play without a zhonya's cause I am in bronze (even though I solo Q'ed my way to silver only to be put back in bronze 5 by placements).
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is way and above out of hand, but maybe something to look at balance wise for champs that already clear so well as it gives them faster clear earlier in the game.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesLuden can be a pretty big power curve item, like LichBane on Twisted Fate, or Nashors on Azir.
Only Play Darius1 votesMages suck. Assassins 4 lyfe!
Humble2Him1 votesExcept, that assassins have fallen off again with DFG gone and the only unnerfed AD assassin is Zed who is so hard countered by a strong AP item it is laughable.
Puri Puri Taric1 votesPut ludens on fiora . Works surprisingly well. Her q is a gapcloser that counts as if she had walked just dash 2 times and ludens is fully stacked and procs a 2nd time
Elite4Runner1 votesWell you have to consider that Luden's Echo is meant to replace Death Fire Grasp, which was an item that was most commonly used to spike the burst potential of assassins. DFG was clearly broken, but Luden's Echo does a good job of adding to the burst potential without being too powerful. The other thing to consider is that Luden's is easily compared to 
which is designed to increase the clear/push potential of auto attacking champions. The main difference is that it is meant to do the same for champions who rely heavily on their abilities to clear/push. These two things combined make for what I think is an awesome new item. AP champions who don't have wave strong wave clear abilities can now do so more easily without sacrificing the power they will need to be effective in team fights.
Sirsir1 votesLudens is just really strong on a lot of champs.