Zoe's fun, but this is just unfair...

Börky·11/24/2017, 8:07:10 AM·86 votes·10,857 views

I'd assume it'd be a little too early to call myself a Zoe main, but from the actions and atrocities I've committed with this Disney chick, I'd say it's safe to assume that she needs a hard nerf for 2 of her defining abilities. Mainly her Q and E.

To make it simple, she snowballs to hell. Most Zoe players max Q first and for good reason. At Q lvl1, she can already deal, at most, 200 damage (plus AA passive ~30-35 ap so really, 235 ap). At Q lvl 5, at maximum, she can damage an enemy champion, depending on the build, over 1000 ap. The cooldown is also relatively low. If you ever play a match against a good Zoe, she will be able to 100-0 any squishy and possibly 3/4-half the hp of any other champion with a little more meat.

Next, her E. it's basically a Morgana Q, but stronger. Damage is mediocre, but the stun lasts for an eternity. It's meant to let Zoe do her full combo, but by the time you get hit by the damn bubble, her Q is flying at you. When the stun actually begins, you're already dead from the massive pain being inflicted by a firefly.

Her concept is great, I really love playing her, but even when I play her, someone who enjoys having all the power and the control over the game, thinks it's too much for one champion to have. Being killed right when you get into the fight is never fun, especially when her Q is not even an ultimate. It really shouldn't be dealing this much damage. Same goes for her E, it's way too powerful, but in a utility sort of sense. I'm definitely not the only one who thinks this way. Please make a change to this and fast.

201 Comments

Smitty Manjensen11/24/2017, 11:52:58 AM57 votes

Hmm, a champion that is fun to play but extremely op and toxic to play against, I wonder which designer does that remind me of.

DemainaNyx11/24/2017, 8:29:34 AM23 votes

The biggest problem is that Zoe has 2 damage abilities. Assuming no one uses sums, she has no W unless she picked it up off a minion before the fight began. The only other champion that I can think of that has 2 damaging abilities is Soraka. Yeah, Zoe CAN possibly pick up a ton of things in a fight to use, but she can also have nothing.

So, to make up for that fact, her power is in her 2 damaging abilities, hence why she can 100-0 by landing an E + Q. I mean, Kha'zix Q is the reason he can pretty much 1v1 anyone, and yet no one says because it does more damage to isolated targets that is should be his ult.

Azadethe11/24/2017, 8:27:29 AM15 votes

I'm sorry but there are tons of 1 hit snowballs, and Zoe's isn't the most accessible kit. Kha through EVERY elo is a 1 hit champ with almost 0 counterplay. Zoe has counterplay, and tells. Kha can kill you from up to 2000 range away, and in 2 skills, that refresh to kill someone else.

I know that's the instinct to have that no one should 1 shot, but a ton of champs do it now with very little counterplay: fed Vayne. Malhazar, Tristana, Fed Cait, Fed Zed.... Akali, Kha, Rengar, veigar .... they ALL pretty much 1 sec kill people, and most can do so even if the other people have vision on them and try to stay away. Even Shaco is getting to a 1 hit status now with the new runes.

Even a Fed Karma full AP can almost 1 shot people.... with literally 1 skill.

Bouncemaster Zac11/24/2017, 9:24:07 AM12 votes

Her base damage is inexcusable tbh, and the cc plus several hundred bonus true damage on her E means if it hits you, you die. It's basically a Blitz hook without the mana and cooldown gating.

OtterlyLost11/25/2017, 1:15:05 AM9 votes

My issue with her isn't that she's 1 shotting me. Its that she's CC'ing me to 1 shot me. :/ Yes, Kha'zix can 1 shot you. But he has to jump ontop of you to do it and you can actually flash and/or dash away because you're not CC'd. The E is honestly my biggest issue; why does she need CC that lasts two seconds? That's ridiculously long considering she can nuke you from half way across the lane.

Gives No Lux11/24/2017, 9:24:29 AM8 votes

Zoe has 1 real damage ability and 1 CC. Her damage is AOE so it can't even benefit from single target effect runes. Missile speed is relatively low, every single one of her attacks is telegraphed unless she attacks from fog of war.

Sure, under the perfect set of circumstances Zoe can land a big damage spell but a three item ADC can be AFK and kill her (or any other mage) in 2 AAs if she ults within range.

By comparison Fizz has 4 damage abilities, better mobility and an invulnerability. Most assassins right now can out perform Zoe AND they can do it under your tower while taking less than 10% damage total.

She's on par with any other successful mage in pre-season. Not anywhere even close to the tier of AD assassins right now.

Handy Sandy 11/24/2017, 2:34:20 PM7 votes

Then dodge her E or Q, simple

Inner Flame11/24/2017, 5:25:43 PM7 votes

Just saw the games played with Zoe in your account. (These are all of them).

1/5/3 1/4/1 0/4/4 0/6/1 1/10/2 2/4/10

  1. There's not a single one where you went nearly positive, and you make a post complaining about how OP she is.

  2. Even if you tell me that somehow there are other not shown games you played with her, the fact that you had this streak on a silver V account still makes a point.

  3. When you talk about actions and atrocities that you committed with her, are you talking about against beginner bots?

Mogarl11/25/2017, 5:56:01 AM6 votes

Nidalee Nuclear spear heads. A totally toxic and infuriating thing to play against.

Let's put them back on a champion but have the champ revolve around them, genius.

V The Support V11/24/2017, 8:19:58 PM4 votes

She is too easy to troll.

The frustrations of teammates immediately AAing a drowsy enemy, or stealing every balloon wielding minion...

General Esdeath 11/25/2017, 6:21:10 AM4 votes

"I don't think CertainlyT will goof this one"

NTrumpWeTrust11/25/2017, 6:14:51 PM4 votes

Just dodge her spear...wait

Z3Sleeper11/24/2017, 2:15:38 PM3 votes

My problem is the cooldown on her E late game. I was playing Urgot and she was literally just using it on me in teamfights to keep me asleep. Didn't damage me or anything, just kept hitting me with the cancer bubble and letting me sit til the moment I woke up again then she'd E me again.

It needs a longer cooldown later in the game. The ability is fine, the ability to completely shut down a single player for the entirety of a teamfight singlehandedly without killing them is beyond obnoxious.

No harsh nerf needed, just up the cooldown from 16-14 => 16 at all ranks.