Elo Hell Isn't Real - If you are stuck in ____ rank it is your fault.

MajKaj·Apr 22, 2018·8 votes·4,674 views

Hey I'm back to say the same thing I always post about! (even copy and pasted my post) Every single day I watch a youtube video or look at forums or look at anything at all on the internet that has to due with League I see people complaining about how they can't carry and how their teams are just so bad and they hold them back. Yet these same people either have 10 games played in ranked which is NOWHERE near how many games they need to show their real rank (whether it is the same, lower, or higher) or they have 900 games in b3 with a 48% winrate (more or less exaggerated, but you get the point). If you can't climb out of a specific rank, it is because you are not good enough to do so. If you were a better player than your rank you will climb. The fact that boosting is even a thing is proof that this is true, do people pay other people to be luckier on their accounts? No. They pay them to win games because they are better than them. Especially in bronze, if you are good enough literally almost every single game is winnable.

Proof: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=3+card+deal

Added stuff based on last post: No Silver is not hard. Is it harder than bronze? I mean obviously it is. "Oh but in silver is where all the smurfs are, and and and all the new players that are in placements and I just can't win because of that!" Wow I had no idea that there were smurfs or new players in league of legends! It's almost like every game is not winnable and also almost like the games that have smurfs/brand new players are a minimal amount of the games you play.

52 Comments

UnboundHadesApr 22, 20185 votes

its sad to see people downvote this because they think elo hell is an actual thing. i went from bronze 5 to gold 1 with barely any problems solo carrying last season

RiseagainstyouApr 22, 20183 votes

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its sad to see people downvote this because they think elo hell is an actual thing. i went from bronze 5 to gold 1 with barely any problems solo carrying last season

So what you're saying is you were sitting at bronze 5 and then suddenly started solo carrying all your games to gold 1

Almost like you got lucky and broke some sort of barrier that was keeping you at bronze 5, and were able to escape that area despite you continuing to solo carry as you used to.

We could call that barrier or area you're stuck in...hell...or maybe some sort of...elo hell? I dunno, maybe it'll catch on, maybe not.

UnboundHadesApr 22, 20184 votes

No I was never stuck in bronze I did placements in season 5 and got bronze and last season my 8/2 placements got me bronze 5 because you can't go higher than your previous rank

MajKajApr 23, 20183 votes

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No I was never stuck in bronze I did placements in season 5 and got bronze and last season my 8/2 placements got me bronze 5 because you can't go higher than your previous rank

Some people just need excuses as to why they can't get out of their rank instead of just learning the game :v

MajKajApr 23, 20182 votes

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its sad to see people downvote this because they think elo hell is an actual thing. i went from bronze 5 to gold 1 with barely any problems solo carrying last season

I agree, I genuinely don't understand how people can actually believe that elo hell is real. Like I said previously if boosting is a thing how is elo hell a thing? It actually makes no sense.

Malix FarwinApr 24, 20181 votes

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its sad to see people downvote this because they think elo hell is an actual thing. i went from bronze 5 to gold 1 with barely any problems solo carrying last season

Previous season i would agree with you but this season is a lot different. You are a lot less able to solo carry and a lot of the lanes that can(mainly bot/jg) still require your laners to be somewhat decent.

IllabetheApr 14, 20191 votes

"Last Season."

News Flash: We didn't have Positional ranking F up our MMR's last Season. We didn't have Shojin's Spear last Season. We didn't have crit build adcs last Season. We didn't have 4 times buffed assassins last season.

You're bragging, yet this season, you've only played 22 ranked games, and even then are only 50%, teetering toward 48%.

Lmfao. 14% Win rate with Darius o.O

Here's the real truth: You got elo boosted by a service in Season 8. Now you're too scared to even rank.

UnboundHadesApr 14, 20191 votes

this is a year old what are you doing here

RiseagainstyouApr 22, 20184 votes

Yeah its almost like you're just spouting the same crap that everyone spouts even though well known masters pros have said they don't do unranked to challenger runs because elo hell is absolutely a thing and some games are completely unwinnable in silver, and you can absolutely tank entire runs of unranked to challenger by getting stuck in...elo hell.

Its almost like people are tired of this "hot take" from platinum players trying to act like old sages, so they just downvote and move on because talking about it clearly doesn't convince anyone. You have no experience in what you're talking about and no matter how many times people tell you that they played 10 games today all with someone with "smurf" in the title trolling their 1/15 mid laner you won't listen because you're determined to at least SOUND smart if you can't play smart enough to get into masters.

Why even make this post besides to whine about people inevitably downvoting it lol. Also is one of the tip screens when you're hard stuck Platinum 3 or below "try making a post on the forums shitting on people because you think anecdotes of your experience are everyone's experience?" Sure seems like it.

MajKajApr 23, 20181 votes

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Yeah its almost like you're just spouting the same crap that everyone spouts even though well known masters pros have said they don't do unranked to challenger runs because elo hell is absolutely a thing and some games are completely unwinnable in silver, and you can absolutely tank entire runs of unranked to challenger by getting stuck in...elo hell.

Its almost like people are tired of this "hot take" from platinum players trying to act like old sages, so they just downvote and move on because talking about it clearly doesn't convince anyone. You have no experience in what you're talking about and no matter how many times people tell you that they played 10 games today all with someone with "smurf" in the title trolling their 1/15 mid laner you won't listen because you're determined to at least SOUND smart if you can't play smart enough to get into masters.

Why even make this post besides to whine about people inevitably downvoting it lol. Also is one of the tip screens when you're hard stuck Platinum 3 or below "try making a post on the forums shitting on people because you think anecdotes of your experience are everyone's experience?" Sure seems like it.

Except it's not crap. It's facts. And the only place any pros ever get even remotely "stuck" in is diamond. And they are never stuck for very long and it happens less than 50% of the time. So I mean, yeah you're right "elo hell" definitely not just some unlucky games and sometimes a little tilt. And I mean it's fine that people downvote it, just annoying that so many people just whine about how hard silver/gold is when it's not and absolutely refuse to accept the fact that they are the reason they're silver. And you think I haven't had trolls/inters/smurfs in my games? If you think that you're actually delusional, and I listen to all these people they're just delusional aswell if they think that their teams are really the reason they're in silver with 500 games. I would bet the rest of the money I would make in my life that if an actual good player was in place of said silver player for all 500 games at least 20% more of the games would have been won.

hi ìm grootApr 23, 20183 votes

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Yeah its almost like you're just spouting the same crap that everyone spouts even though well known masters pros have said they don't do unranked to challenger runs because elo hell is absolutely a thing and some games are completely unwinnable in silver, and you can absolutely tank entire runs of unranked to challenger by getting stuck in...elo hell.

Its almost like people are tired of this "hot take" from platinum players trying to act like old sages, so they just downvote and move on because talking about it clearly doesn't convince anyone. You have no experience in what you're talking about and no matter how many times people tell you that they played 10 games today all with someone with "smurf" in the title trolling their 1/15 mid laner you won't listen because you're determined to at least SOUND smart if you can't play smart enough to get into masters.

Why even make this post besides to whine about people inevitably downvoting it lol. Also is one of the tip screens when you're hard stuck Platinum 3 or below "try making a post on the forums shitting on people because you think anecdotes of your experience are everyone's experience?" Sure seems like it.

What "masters pros" have ever said that elo hell is real?

RiseagainstyouApr 23, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=hi ìm groot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cra1GKUI,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2018-04-23T04:55:48.649+0000)

What "masters pros" have ever said that elo hell is real?

Shiphtur, IWD, Qtpie, basically every streamer that has time to do it (i.e. isn't in LCS) has said at one point or another that they don't do unranked to challenger anymore because, specifically, silver and gold smurfing and how hard it is to win games at that elo since some games are literally unwinnable.

Almost like some sort of...elo hell

MajKajApr 24, 20181 votes

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Shiphtur, IWD, Qtpie, basically every streamer that has time to do it (i.e. isn't in LCS) has said at one point or another that they don't do unranked to challenger anymore because, specifically, silver and gold smurfing and how hard it is to win games at that elo since some games are literally unwinnable.

Almost like some sort of...elo hell

Except when they do unranked to challenger they get placed in g2-p5 90% of the time, also a lot of people who boost in those elos with like 80%+ winrates are like high diamond/masters players which is even worse than the players you're talking about.

hi ìm grootApr 24, 20183 votes

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Shiphtur, IWD, Qtpie, basically every streamer that has time to do it (i.e. isn't in LCS) has said at one point or another that they don't do unranked to challenger anymore because, specifically, silver and gold smurfing and how hard it is to win games at that elo since some games are literally unwinnable.

Almost like some sort of...elo hell

Would love to see a link to that statement. I know at least IWD has done them. This would be pretty absurd though considering even Hashinshin got back to diamond with a 70% w/r when his account got banned. And he's ,as everyone knows, a top laner, which everyones crying about cant carry in this meta. I actually got to play with him during 3 of them when he was goin through plat.

IllabetheApr 14, 20191 votes

You're listing people who play nothing at all but assassins with low cooldown resets and easy, safe in/outs.......

Try Bronze to Challengering Morgana. Or Nami. Or most adcs. Or most Top laners.

There's a reason they all default to heavy reset hypercarries or assassins.

Twilit AngelApr 23, 20183 votes

Elo hell exists. Did a duo game once and team wanted to ff at 15. Me and duo ofc didn't want to give up our LP so easily and were doing the best on the team, so the other three all just left the game. Can the highest ranking players even carry a 2 v 5 when the enemy team has so much more gold from teammates tanking their lane and feeding until they rage quit?

Unranked to challenger accounts don't even make sense. They don't start at the bottom and climb up. I heard they at least start in Gold.

Watched BunnyFuFuu play his Thresh in Bronze and even though his mechanics were godly, he lost from an afk.

Solo Q hardly makes sense half of the time. Expecting one person to 1 v 9 pretty much unless rng matchmaking pairs them with competent teammates that don't all rage quit 4 deaths in. So many issues with the ranking system.

MajKajApr 23, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Twilit Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cra1GKUI,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-04-23T01:40:28.460+0000)

Elo hell exists. Did a duo game once and team wanted to ff at 15. Me and duo ofc didn't want to give up our LP so easily and were doing the best on the team, so the other three all just left the game. Can the highest ranking players even carry a 2 v 5 when the enemy team has so much more gold from teammates tanking their lane and feeding until they rage quit?

Unranked to challenger accounts don't even make sense. They don't start at the bottom and climb up. I heard they at least start in Gold.

Watched BunnyFuFuu play his Thresh in Bronze and even though his mechanics were godly, he lost from an afk.

Solo Q hardly makes sense half of the time. Expecting one person to 1 v 9 pretty much unless rng matchmaking pairs them with competent teammates that don't all rage quit 4 deaths in. So many issues with the ranking system.

Except it doesn't exist. And afk's (especially 3) is a rare occurrence, or at least a semi rare one. I know this, I have played in bronze, I'm not a good player and I have never once had a lower than 70% winrate on any account I've played on in bronze. The account I linked is a challenger account player that used to stream bronze 5 to diamond accounts and he quit league during that one but he dropped 2 games out of 47 in bronze. And no that wasn't luck. He did it on another account playing smite tryndamere toplane and went from b5 to d5 with almost a 70% winrate. If the people who complain about being stuck in their ranks because of their teams, either they haven't played enough games and were unlucky in their short amount of games or need to get better to climb higher than they currently are.

MajKajApr 23, 20181 votes

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Except it doesn't exist. And afk's (especially 3) is a rare occurrence, or at least a semi rare one. I know this, I have played in bronze, I'm not a good player and I have never once had a lower than 70% winrate on any account I've played on in bronze. The account I linked is a challenger account player that used to stream bronze 5 to diamond accounts and he quit league during that one but he dropped 2 games out of 47 in bronze. And no that wasn't luck. He did it on another account playing smite tryndamere toplane and went from b5 to d5 with almost a 70% winrate. If the people who complain about being stuck in their ranks because of their teams, either they haven't played enough games and were unlucky in their short amount of games or need to get better to climb higher than they currently are.

I just realized the account that I had linked up there was removed for some reason?

MajKajApr 23, 20181 votes

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I just realized the account that I had linked up there was removed for some reason?

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=3+card+deal

RiseagainstyouApr 23, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Twilit Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cra1GKUI,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-04-23T01:40:28.460+0000)

Elo hell exists. Did a duo game once and team wanted to ff at 15. Me and duo ofc didn't want to give up our LP so easily and were doing the best on the team, so the other three all just left the game. Can the highest ranking players even carry a 2 v 5 when the enemy team has so much more gold from teammates tanking their lane and feeding until they rage quit?

Unranked to challenger accounts don't even make sense. They don't start at the bottom and climb up. I heard they at least start in Gold.

Watched BunnyFuFuu play his Thresh in Bronze and even though his mechanics were godly, he lost from an afk.

Solo Q hardly makes sense half of the time. Expecting one person to 1 v 9 pretty much unless rng matchmaking pairs them with competent teammates that don't all rage quit 4 deaths in. So many issues with the ranking system.

Shut up you're interrupting the Plat 4 circlejerk over how much better they are than Silver players despite being statistically .04% better with all your facts and actual examples

The Sword SaintApr 24, 20181 votes

Lol. What is that lame statistic you pulled out of your ass.

Here's the actual up to date rank distribution based on the api: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution

You'll notice that bronze and silver make up about 70% of the ranked playerbase, and platinum and higher make up the top 10%.

The lowest ranked platinum player is at least in the top 10% of players, while the best silver who is 2 wins 0 losses into his gold promos is still not into the top 30% yet.

Tell me again where you pulled that 'statistically .04% better' statement from other than pure spiteful jealousy.

Daze CloverApr 22, 20181 votes

dam, I know that's ur account, you do not need to lie

MajKajApr 22, 20181 votes

Trust me. You don't wanna see me play twisted fate LUL

MajKajApr 22, 20181 votes

500 people view, nobody actually responds about the post but just leave a downvote. What fantastic points you guys all made, thanks for the input! :^)

jocomotionApr 22, 20181 votes

Yep, you’ve definitely got 500 downvotes

MajKajApr 23, 20181 votes

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Yep, you’ve definitely got 500 downvotes

Sorry if that's how you read it, not how I meant it. Also mostly commented it so this would go back to the top of the gameplay boards to see if anyone would actually respond >:)

jocomotionApr 23, 20181 votes

Hey man, I didn’t even downvote you, in all honesty I couldn’t upvote you though either. I was just pickin on your over exaggeration.[slayer-jinx-wink]

I think you’re mostly right, a gold player deserves gold because they got better, a plat player deserves plat, diamond-diamond etc... however there is an aspect of luck you need to account for. You can still play around bad teammates weather they just play poorly or are toxic, but it’s decided to luck on weather or not you’re teamed up with them, and with league being a team game it’s something that tends to boil player tempers.

MajKajApr 23, 20181 votes

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Hey man, I didn’t even downvote you, in all honesty I couldn’t upvote you though either. I was just pickin on your over exaggeration.[slayer-jinx-wink]

I think you’re mostly right, a gold player deserves gold because they got better, a plat player deserves plat, diamond-diamond etc... however there is an aspect of luck you need to account for. You can still play around bad teammates weather they just play poorly or are toxic, but it’s decided to luck on weather or not you’re teamed up with them, and with league being a team game it’s something that tends to boil player tempers.

It wasn't an exaggeration at the time 500 people had viewed the thread, but nobody had said anything relevant to the post, but a few people just downvoted and left is what i was trying to say. I didn't write that out as well as I could have, my bad. And yeah there is always going to be some luck, but after a certain point it's not exactly luck a large majority of the time because as long as you are better than the elo you're in then it's above a 50/50 chance that you'll will on average. Yes some people get really unlucky, but no the amount of people I see daily complaining about their teams/smurfs are not that unlucky.

RookPusherApr 23, 20181 votes

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500 people view, nobody actually responds about the post but just leave a downvote. What fantastic points you guys all made, thanks for the input! :^)

Well where do you begin in an argument completely estranged from reality?

_If you're not a millionaire, its your fault! Nothing is holding you back from being one. Either you're good enough to become a millionaire or you aren't. _

I mean, to have an argument there needs to be some facts to agree on.

MajKajApr 23, 20182 votes

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Well where do you begin in an argument completely estranged from reality?

_If you're not a millionaire, its your fault! Nothing is holding you back from being one. Either you're good enough to become a millionaire or you aren't. _

I mean, to have an argument there needs to be some facts to agree on.

I mean there's a difference between being bad at a video game and not being a millionaire? You're also using an extreme, I'm not saying people aren't challenger because they're bad I'm saying they are silver because they are. Also just because they're bad now doesn't mean they can't become better later on. People just blame everything but themselves. Also there are PLENTY of people who are poor off of choices they made which is their fault not anyone elses. So I mean.

RagingDerpnessApr 23, 20181 votes

Hypothetically speaking . . . If there was a "elo hell" how would you envision it?

MajKajApr 23, 20181 votes

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Hypothetically speaking . . . If there was a "elo hell" how would you envision it?

I mean I don't really think a full on actual elo hell could exist with the current system (not to say that the current system doesn't have flaws), but I think the closest thing league has to offer to what people call "elo hell" would be somewhere in diamond, because in diamond more than any other rank there is a lot more ridiculous match making. People in low diamond play against master-challenger level players on the daily and the skill gap between those ranks are huge which is extremely unfun for both the master-challenger players and the diamond players. Also the percentage of smurfs in diamond mmr is higher than anywhere else. I don't know if that answers your question or not, but that's the only way I can see fit to answer it sorry.

MajKajApr 23, 20181 votes

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I mean I don't really think a full on actual elo hell could exist with the current system (not to say that the current system doesn't have flaws), but I think the closest thing league has to offer to what people call "elo hell" would be somewhere in diamond, because in diamond more than any other rank there is a lot more ridiculous match making. People in low diamond play against master-challenger level players on the daily and the skill gap between those ranks are huge which is extremely unfun for both the master-challenger players and the diamond players. Also the percentage of smurfs in diamond mmr is higher than anywhere else. I don't know if that answers your question or not, but that's the only way I can see fit to answer it sorry.

That being said a majority of the time top level players still steam roll through diamond.

RagingDerpnessApr 23, 20181 votes

So would it be safe to say that it's more of a "elo purgatory" than a hell?

IllabetheApr 14, 20191 votes

Elo Hell: You score 70% win rate but only climb two Ranks because Riot introduces something called Positional Ranking. You play 40 Provisional ranking games, and another 110 on top of that and maintain that 70% Win rate. Your mid and Support win rates are 90%+ Your Adc/Top lane win rate is only 40%.

Riot dismantles Positional ranking, and gives you the MMR you had for the Adc/Top, but the Rank you earned for Mid.

Instant 9 LP wins 23 LP losses.

For every 3 games you win, 1 loss wipes them out entirely.

You start pulling 60-50% Win rate performances, because people you are getting placed with because of your false MMR, are FF at 15 players who you have no control over, who surrender without fail at 15, after either dying 0/8 or intentionally feeding 0/8. Every game is either a Streamer on the other team who posts their actual Diamond + account, or just elo boosting a duo on a Zed/Yasuo alternating pattern, in an elo which struggles to ban both of them. People on your own team ban all your mains, while not banning Yasuo/Zed.

50-60% win rate is wiping out more LP than you gain because of said Riot revert. You drop 2-3 ranks before it stabilizes. By then, your MMR has buried you, and a single win only counts miniscule toward raising your MMR, because you have 300+ games, over half of which were sacrificed to the Positional ranking system, trying to rank all roles.

Engineered Elo Hell.

It HAPPENED this season.

Not to everyone. Nah. Those who were smart enough to predict Riot would go back on its own design, 1 tricked 1 role during the positional ranking, and put that initial 70% into a more risky, but solid 1 role climb. Then when Riot Cancelled, only that role was calculated into their MMR.

(I have a perennial Plat IV/Gold I friend who started about the same rank as me this season on my smurf. He started Silver III. I Started Silver IV. My 70% Win rate got me to Silver II. It got him to his Gold IV promos. After the revert, he gained 32 LP a game, while I gained 9. He only had a 52% Win rate. But it was a 52% Win rate only as Jungler.....)

SalronApr 23, 20182 votes

Don't take the views at face value Ever since a month or 2 ago i noticed that board threads for some reason have been getting insanely inflated view counts compared to what they normally would, even with little or no comments

Scary DoorApr 23, 20181 votes

What an exciting and new thread, we've never seen this before!

MajKajApr 23, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Scary Door,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cra1GKUI,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-04-23T01:53:26.127+0000)

What an exciting and new thread, we've never seen this before!

Maybe if people get it through their heads that their team isn't the reason they're silver you wont see it anymore :) You see this all the time and it annoys you, and I see people blaming everything but themselves for their rank and it annoys me, and I mean I'd at least like to think that some of my argument is somewhat original and not seen very often. (the whole bossting disproves elo hell part)

Twilit AngelApr 23, 20181 votes

Is it a problem to be maining adc? Are there champion specifics needed to climb out of each elo? At least say tips and not blatantly say us individuals need to improve more and that you are a better player.

Recently, I've gotten the highest I've been at S2, but win rate tanked when I was paired with people who were even remotely toxic which just made the game League of Chat, instead of playing. I try to talk as little as possible and do my best to keep cool. But that's a psychological thing there. Staying cool when someone is pissed just makes therm more pissed. It's as if they NEED to be flamed by someone. I don't. I want keys, so I know to not flame.

I've been maining Kaisa . She fits my playstyle as an adc and has outplay potential I like out of a squishy carry champion. I'm decent at most other champions, but not perfect enough to carry every game in my elo. I don't know what to do when behind especially and my team wants to non stop group against a team comp we can't fight 5 v 5. Don't even say dodge. That shows lack of skill right there. You can't carry against a certain comp, so you back out? People that dodge to preserve win rate are straight up boosted imo. I may be wrong, but that's how I view it.

MajKajApr 23, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Twilit Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cra1GKUI,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-04-23T02:51:53.347+0000)

Is it a problem to be maining adc? Are there champion specifics needed to climb out of each elo? At least say tips and not blatantly say us individuals need to improve more and that you are a better player.

Recently, I've gotten the highest I've been at S2, but win rate tanked when I was paired with people who were even remotely toxic which just made the game League of Chat, instead of playing. I try to talk as little as possible and do my best to keep cool. But that's a psychological thing there. Staying cool when someone is pissed just makes therm more pissed. It's as if they NEED to be flamed by someone. I don't. I want keys, so I know to not flame.

I've been maining . She fits my playstyle as an adc and has outplay potential I like out of a squishy carry champion. I'm decent at most other champions, but not perfect enough to carry every game in my elo. I don't know what to do when behind especially and my team wants to non stop group against a team comp we can't fight 5 v 5. Don't even say dodge. That shows lack of skill right there. You can't carry against a certain comp, so you back out? People that dodge to preserve win rate are straight up boosted imo. I may be wrong, but that's how I view it.

Some of the best players in the game advocate for dodging games they don't think they can win, so it's a legitimate thing to suggest tbh. I don't know about you but I'd rather lose 3 lp and wait for 5 minutes than lose like 20 and also 20-60 minutes. Anyways I don't think it matters what role you play, and more or less what champions. One tricking is extremely helpful to climbing, and learning minion manipulation and proper back timings can be HUGE as far as climbing. Those 2 things alone can take you from silver to plat.

Twilit AngelApr 23, 20181 votes

No idea how accurate LoLSumo is, but most of my wins will say plat/diamond performance. I've even gotten it to say Master a few times. Some of my losses usually say Silver when the enemy team absolutely crushed us, but I get gold/plat/diamond performances even on defeat when I played the best I could. We deserve to be in this elo for not being able to 1 v 9? Makes no sense to me in a team game.

MajKajApr 24, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Twilit Angel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cra1GKUI,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-04-23T23:23:39.520+0000)

No idea how accurate LoLSumo is, but most of my wins will say plat/diamond performance. I've even gotten it to say Master a few times. Some of my losses usually say Silver when the enemy team absolutely crushed us, but I get gold/plat/diamond performances even on defeat when I played the best I could. We deserve to be in this elo for not being able to 1 v 9? Makes no sense to me in a team game.

I've never used it, but judging by your op.gg I'd have to say LoLSumo isn't all that accurate, I'm not trying to be an asshole but you have around 400 games and a 49% winrate you are 100% doing lots of incorrect things. Just based on stats alone, your average cs is okay and your average deaths really aren't bad and your most played champ makes up for 1/4 of your champions played and the rest are all like 20 or less games. If you're struggling to climb you should pick one champion and one trick it, it will help you a lot with learning the game. And you really don't have to 1v9 to win games or to carry games, like I said literally just knowing wave manipulation farming well and back timings are actually ridiculously important. I went from never playing more than like 30 games of ranked a season and on and off maining different champs/roles to one tricking rakan/support last season and went from b1-p4 with a 65% wr in under 200 games and I still don't consider myself to be very good. You will never be able to change what other people do, you can ping them and shotcall but in the end you can only control your champion, so focus on your own mistakes and play and go from there. I wish you the best of luck in your games, and hope you can achieve your ranked goals! GLHF

Twilit AngelApr 24, 20181 votes

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I'm not trying to be an asshole but you have around 400 games and a 49% winrate you are 100% doing lots of incorrect things.

Yeah. My win rate has dropped drastically recently. I don't know how to carry toxics on the team that just give up. Neither does RedMercy it looks like from one of his recent uploads where his Azir rage quit and replaced all his items with item 3070 s.

MajKajApr 24, 20181 votes

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Yeah. My win rate has dropped drastically recently. I don't know how to carry toxics on the team that just give up. Neither does RedMercy it looks like from one of his recent uploads where his rage quit and replaced all his items with s.

And I doubt it will improve until you change your outlook on the game tbh. I don't care what way you put it, after 400+ games you are at least close to your actual rank. If you want to take in any of the advice I gave you (which is just advice I've taken from people better than me that has helped me tremendously) then I don't know what to tell you. So like I said GLHF man hope you can start climbing the ladder!

JustaNewbApr 24, 20181 votes

Yeah, as someone who is having to grind up through silver, for the first time since Season 4, due to one of my accounts getting hacked and dumping rank? Silver is hell.

MajKajApr 24, 20181 votes

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Yeah, as someone who is having to grind up through silver, for the first time since Season 4, due to one of my accounts getting hacked and dumping rank? Silver is hell.

I've grinded through silver many times on every role (I'm horrible at all of them but jg and support and bad at jg and support) never once have I had an issue. The only time I've kept a 50% wr or close to it was the first season I started playing. If everyone who complains about how hard silver is would just learn how the game works they wouldn't be in silver. Nobody here has argued against any of the statements I've made about why elo hells not real like "if boosting is a thing how is elo hell real? People don't pay other players to get lucky on their accounts" instead they just tell me how hard silver is for them, which is probably because they're silver or low gold players. If you improve yourself as a player you'll be able to climb out of it. The only person you can change is yourself, yes you can ping your teammates and shotcall, and if you have even a little bit of decent game knowledge I would highly recommend doing that in silver because even bad calls work lots of the time in silver as long as everyone follows through with it on your team because the enemy team will just be lost and disjointed. And no by ping I don'g mean spam ping the yasuo who just got solo killed in lane, or spam assist me assist me because you're losing lane. That never helps. Anyways, hope you can get through silver and climb even higher than that dude, goodluck and have fun!

Malix FarwinApr 24, 20181 votes

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I've grinded through silver many times on every role (I'm horrible at all of them but jg and support and bad at jg and support) never once have I had an issue. The only time I've kept a 50% wr or close to it was the first season I started playing. If everyone who complains about how hard silver is would just learn how the game works they wouldn't be in silver. Nobody here has argued against any of the statements I've made about why elo hells not real like "if boosting is a thing how is elo hell real? People don't pay other players to get lucky on their accounts" instead they just tell me how hard silver is for them, which is probably because they're silver or low gold players. If you improve yourself as a player you'll be able to climb out of it. The only person you can change is yourself, yes you can ping your teammates and shotcall, and if you have even a little bit of decent game knowledge I would highly recommend doing that in silver because even bad calls work lots of the time in silver as long as everyone follows through with it on your team because the enemy team will just be lost and disjointed. And no by ping I don'g mean spam ping the yasuo who just got solo killed in lane, or spam assist me assist me because you're losing lane. That never helps. Anyways, hope you can get through silver and climb even higher than that dude, goodluck and have fun!

Have you grinded through silver this season though?

MajKajApr 24, 20181 votes

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Have you grinded through silver this season though?

Twice this season.

Pandemic PunchOct 6, 20181 votes

I did it twice this season.

WangMaster9000Oct 6, 20181 votes

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Hey I'm back to say the same thing I always post about! (even copy and pasted my post) Every single day I watch a youtube video or look at forums or look at anything at all on the internet that has to due with League I see people complaining about how they can't carry and how their teams are just so bad and they hold them back. Yet these same people either have 10 games played in ranked which is NOWHERE near how many games they need to show their real rank (whether it is the same, lower, or higher) or they have 900 games in b3 with a 48% winrate (more or less exaggerated, but you get the point). If you can't climb out of a specific rank, it is because you are not good enough to do so. If you were a better player than your rank you will climb. The fact that boosting is even a thing is proof that this is true, do people pay other people to be luckier on their accounts? No. They pay them to win games because they are better than them. Especially in bronze, if you are good enough literally almost every single game is winnable.

Proof: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=3+card+deal

Added stuff based on last post: No Silver is not hard. Is it harder than bronze? I mean obviously it is. "Oh but in silver is where all the smurfs are, and and and all the new players that are in placements and I just can't win because of that!" Wow I had no idea that there were smurfs or new players in league of legends! It's almost like every game is not winnable and also almost like the games that have smurfs/brand new players are a minimal amount of the games you play.

Post a video where you carry a team like this and win. Otherwise stfu and stop trying to be a smartass.

https://imgur.com/a/wKl6XmZ#B3Bw2jS[/IMG]