Boards›Gameplay

I finally see why people hate Dynamic Queue

Jet Sett··67 votes·4,418 views

I went against two premades of what seemed to be 3-5 people, on one of the games I had a 4 man premade on MY team. I didn't feel like a fellow player, I felt like an outsider, I've been with a 4-man before and I felt as left out then as I did with them, except this time we had no coordination, not even between the premade. Against the two premades I faced both teams were using excellent rotations and team coordination, it couldn't be explained as a group that somehow got along well by chance, they chained their cc perfectly!

I didn't realize that playing with friends was the only way I could consistently enjoy League now and I can't believe I've been so blind to this issue the whole time it's been going on. This sucks, I want to have a genuine solo experience, sometimes I WANT to play by myself and see how I do. It was normals, but I thought we weren't going to face large groups like this unless we were specifically queued as such, but everyone was right on solo players being dragged kicking and screaming into it.

I want to play ranked solo... but I don't know if I can because I'm sure i'll face these same issues. Why couldn't we keep team ranked and solo ranked separate? People who wanted to use them did, this change was forceful and unnecessary. Oh, and I know now that the new champ select isn't the same as DQ, I learned that on the Boards of course.

Riot, I just want a genuine solo experience, PLEASE.

93 Comments

LiveYiOrDieHard31 votes

Riot can't implement solo queue because they need to force solo queuers into dynamic queue as "filler" so the premades can get their games. They know it sucks for solo queuers and they are ok with screwing you over so that the premades can be happy.

Jorencice1 votes

I mean if you can make 4 people happy at the expense of making 1 person annoyed

LankPants3 votes

That's the wrong way of looking at this. Lets imagine that 4 man queues 5 times, probability says they get a different solo each time. That's not actually a 4-1, it's a 4-5 and you're pissing off a lot of solos.

MonkeyMadness3 votes

So, what you're saying is that if only a minority is benefited then we shouldn't bother...good thing the government didn't ask you for advice about the Civil Rights Movement...

Fact is, the previous system was about as fair as can be in a game like this. The current system is downright abusive to solo players. There has been a overall reduction in fairness, which is honestly fucking stupid.

Jorencice1 votes

Smh.

Yes the rights of humans to be treated like other humans are exactly the same as the ability to have a fair matchmaking system in a video game...

MonkeyMadness2 votes

If you don't see the similarities here I fear for the future of not only this game but the country as a whole...Obviously the scale is different, but the principle is startlingly similar. We are being treated like second class citizens in the game (solo players receive less IP, lower chance for key frag drops, and now it is systematically harder for them to rank up) and our outcry has fallen largely on deaf ears since we are the apparent minority. What's worse is that some premades even go as far as to be very unwelcoming to us solo players. I have had games where I was treated as a very awkward 5th wheel and harassed incredibly hard for literally everything that I did. If you can't see the correlation that I've made here, I'm really not sure that you're qualified to have an opinion on this...

Jorencice1 votes

You don't receive less ip or key fragment drops.

You receive the normal amount and the party's receive a BONUS for being in a party.

I'm guessing you don't want the company to reward bringing freinds into the game because it isn't fair to friendless people.

I'll give you its SLIGHTLY harder to rank up. But according to statistics it's only a couple of percentage points difference.

Which means you'll lose 5-6 games out of a 100 due to premades.

MonkeyMadness3 votes

????????????????

not getting the party bonus = less key frags. This is what I like to call premade privilege. Stop trying to justify it by looking at it from a different point of view. Unfair is unfair, no matter how you look at it.

Also, last season I got to plat with a 51 or 52% win ratio. A couple of percentage points difference means that I will decline in rank consistently. And there are A LOT of players like me that used to climb on consistent win ratio like this over a large number of games. Think before you speak. Even just 1 measly % will cause plenty of players to fail to get their deserved ranks, and this is not ok, and your 5-6 out of every 100 argument will see me dropped into silver shortly. Let me remind you that I am a plat/high gold level player. For me to be on the cusp of silver is a problem, as my skill simply has not deteriorated that much.

Jorencice1 votes

I'm not looking at it differently your simply looking at it wrong.

Your basically bitching you don't get to use the carpool lane to save time even though you only have 1 person in your car.

It's a bonus for bringing multiple people. Not a punishment for only haveing one.

Also I'm well aware what a % can do. I'm a mid gold player and I'm almost bronze this season.

Also know a challenger that got their with a 50.01% winrate.

MonkeyMadness2 votes

Fundamentally different concept than a carpool lane, and to call me "wrong" is incredibly bigoted, so I'd appreciate it if you would either get off these forums or start being a bit more open minded.

Here's the reason it's fundamentally different: with a carpool lane, you are actually doing something rather noble. You are actively reducing the number of vehicles on the roads, meaning there will be less traffic congestion (faster transit for everyone) and less pollution. This is something that is somewhat commendable, and is rewarded for being so. Premading is an entirely selfish endeavor. You premade so that YOU personally can have more fun, and/or YOU personally can have a better chance at winning. Why should people be rewarded for doing something selfish? Now, we can debate the meaning of that word, "selfish" but I'm using it to mean any action that is self-benefiting, and NOT done for the common good. Not that premading is an evil thing (in ranked it kind of is) but it's clearly not something that you do for the good of others. You do it because you enjoy it, ergo, it's selfish.

Also know a challenger that got their with a 50.01% winrate.

Good to know. Based on your own numbers, that means he probably had roughly a 55 or 56% win ratio last season. And honestly, stats are really quite unnecessary here. If you need statistics to enforce your argument, then your argument is shit. If an argument can't stand on principle alone, it is not a good argument.

Jorencice1 votes

Typical liberal. Thow ing bigot around like ita nothing.

How about you follow your own advice and stop being so close minded about my close mindedness which as a human being is well within my rights.

Also I can literally bring up hundreds of examples where groups get a special rate. It's JUST HOW BUSINESS WORK.

It's NOT a punishment it's a reward for bringing in more customers.

Your getting the normal amount as a solo player.

They are getting a bonus for bringing freinds.

Jesh it's really freaking simple.

Now I will agree with you on one thing. Is it fair in ranked...debatable. but it's still not a punishment to solo players.

MonkeyMadness1 votes

I mean if you can make 4 people happy at the expense of making 1 person annoyed

Totally not intolerant of the opinions of others

I'm not looking at it differently your simply looking at it wrong.

Opinion differs from your own, so therefore it's wrong.

Ya, I'm the bigot. K.

Also, it really isn't debatable. Players who play in premade gain significant advantage while attempting to climb the ladder. I've seen absolutely shitty player in my tier. Players that absolutely did not deserve to bee there. And wouldn't you know? They were in a premade. Evidently without their diamond smurf, but that's irrelevant to this discussion. Actually, it really isn't, but no one here in their right mind would attempt to validate the merits of boosting via smurf account. That's just disgusting. And rewarding premades with extra key frags, more ip, etc IS unfair, because not everyone has access to these rewards. I don't have a lot of friends that play this game. So I can't take advantage of that. And if we are being completely honest, the complaints about key fragments and other premade rewards are really just icing on the cake for us. If it were just these things, we solo players probably wouldn't really care. But the fact that we are getting punished in terms of both rank AND these little extras really doesn't sit well with us.

Jorencice1 votes

Sort of confused how the first statement is intolerant. Just stating my own opinion lol.

Also simply invite random people to join you.

It's already a 5v5 game YOU HAVE TO HAVE 4 teammates. So you might as well make it 4 people you know don't suck that much.

Also yea. Your opinion is wrong.

Unless you think girls drink for half off should be banned.

Or family packages at amusement parks should be axed due to being unfair to single people.

Or well any other MANY other ways groups get more than singles.

MonkeyMadness1 votes

You seriously have no concept of fairness

Unless you think girls drink for half off should be banned.

yes, its sexist (check definition of sexism) and yes it should be "banned".

As for family packs at an amusement park, YOUR FUCKING PERFORMANCE AT AN AMUSEMENT PARK IS NOT RANKED. I am baffled as to why you people don't get this. Unfair with respect to the monetary shit is a side note. It is blatantly unfair because it causes some people rank up with significantly more ease. Stop talking about the money comparison, because that's not the main topic here. DQ allows for intense boosting and premade advantage in ranked. That's not an opinion, so don't try to tell me its wrong. It's a fact. Stop making your frankly dumb comparisons to family passes and start paying attention to the actual argument.

RipShesDeadScrub2 votes

for some reason i enjoyed watching you show more intelligence while debating with that guy, by the end i was convinced with your side versus his side and i normally play with people because it's more enjoyable. Hope riot does something about dynamic queue, it'd be a shame if someone with intelligence up and left.

MonkeyMadness1 votes

OMG A COMPLIMENT IN A LOL COMMUNITY FORUM. THE APOCALYPSE IS NIGH!!! summoner 11 summoner 11 summoner 11 summoner 11 summoner 11 summoner 11

Seriously though, thanks [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Lovelle1 votes

This is exactly how Dominion players felt before Riot removed the map. All they got in return was an icon for winning a mere 100 Games. Now SR players get to experience the same bias to an extent.

Demon King Maou9 votes

{quoted}

Riot can't implement solo queue because they need to force solo queuers into dynamic queue as "filler" so the premades can get their games. They know it sucks for solo queuers and they are ok with screwing you over so that the premades can be happy.

They do it because they can get away with it ( The community just lets them do things such as OH YOU WANTED SOLO Q? WELL FUCK YOU DYNAMIC IS EASIER ) sure the community thrashed around for a couple of weeks but what happened after that? SILENCE Riot knows that if they just ignore it long enough the complaints will die off Though by doing this riots slowly digging a grave ( Considering overwatch is way better in terms of gameplay and community rn alot are moving over ) also new games simular to LoL are coming out all the time slowly killing off LoL

Dextix LT14 votes

Not really, people are simply leaving. And yes, they are actually leaving. Currently i have 3 minute queues as a support main. When before all i had was 1 min max. People are leaving.

CppL3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dextix LT,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cjWdo8EK,comment-id=000400020000,timestamp=2016-06-20T03:17:47.221+0000)

Not really, people are simply leaving. And yes, they are actually leaving. Currently i have 3 minute queues as a support main. When before all i had was 1 min max. People are leaving.

Agree. 60% of my friends in my friend list is gone.Didint saw them playing for months.

MonkeyMadness6 votes

While the number of DQ hate posts has gone down, we are far from silent. A bunch of us have outright quit (I'm about to, especially with Overwatch shipping its ranked mode soon) and the rest feel like they aren't being heard by Riot (fact: they don't give a fuck about what we say on here) so they've kinda just given up. I still comment/upvote posts like this whenever I see them, but I completely understand why people have stopped caring. It's fucking disheartening to make a post like this and poor your heart and soul into an opinion only to have Riot completely ignore it.

Jorencice1 votes

Overwatch gameplay is a completely different genre you can't compare it and LoL.

Also the community sucks. It's just blizzard is even harsher than riot and bans people Hella fast.

Dextix LT1 votes

No, you cant comapre it to LOL. However thats the point. Those who exit dont want another moba, they want something different, and Overwatch gives that something different, paired with Riot fcking up constantly this season we see how Overwatch is taking players from the pool that LOL takes its.

If blizzard is harsher and faster on the bans, they will actually take care of toxicity soon, since Overwatch is not a free game.

The Whamboozler2 votes

It doesn't matter what kind of game it is... only that people are more interested in it than league. As someone who has given up league as well due to all the garbage they've pulled with it, all I can say is this.

Overwatch is fun. League stopped being anything beyond frustrating, depressing or anger-inducing months ago.

Vistha Kai1 votes

It's good they are harsher.

I've seen people intentionally feeding, saying "Fuck this" and going AFK, wishing people deaths, sometimes horrible ones at that, flaming whole games, etc.

The best part? They don't even get a single chat restriction.

It's like all the system cares about are racial slurs or different-sexuality-"phobia".

I quite literally got banned from Boards for a full week, because I said, a guy with a wig and fake boobs, has a penis, which he actually showed on camera.

And in the end it doesn't really matter what type of a game it is.

Before League of Legends came around "MOBA" wasn't even a word, but it didn't matter. Just like it doesn't matter, Overwatch is a shooter with special abilities.

Jorencice1 votes

When you says overwatch is way better in gameplay is when you can't compare the 2.

It's like saying destiny has better gameplay than starcraft 2.

They are totally separate genres and thus can't be compared like that.

Also yea ever single time I've been banned from the forumns. it's been because I've dared saying anything even remotely against the lgbt+ overlords so I feel your pain.

Hell just saying that might be enough for another 7 day ban.

They throw those out like candies.

Vistha Kai1 votes

When you says overwatch is way better in gameplay is when you can't compare the 2.

It's like saying destiny has better gameplay than starcraft 2.

They are totally separate genres and thus can't be compared like that.

Are you sure that part was directed at me? I haven't said a word about gameplay, except that it doesn't matter.

Jorencice1 votes

The person I was originally talking to said gameplay.

And since you added yourself to the convo and said it doesn't matters it's relevant.

Dominick Destine17 votes

{quoted}

I can't believe I've been so blind to this issue the whole time

We've been saying this for over 6 months... I can't believe people that deny Dynamic Queue being utter garbage still exist.

YumaS2Astral4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cjWdo8EK,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-06-20T00:10:39.513+0000)

We've been saying this for over 6 months... I can't believe people that deny Dynamic Queue being utter garbage still exist.

Most of those people are people who mistake Dynamic Queue with the new champion select

Linna Excel7 votes

Part of me is thinking riot wants to get rid of the solo experience. If DQ sucks for people who solo, a few of them will eventually make friends, and riot has proven they can ignore those who don't.

I'd like to make more friends in game, but 90% of the time people never talk and when they do, anything beyond simple communications often ends up in flaming and trolling.

Jet Sett4 votes

I noticed I made friends when I first started playing League, and after that it became more and more difficult because it didn't seem important, and I don't even know half the people on my list.

Blanchimont7 votes

No, Dynamic Queue under the current circumstances cannot create a solo ranked experience. If anything, Dynamic Queue should have been a replacement for ranked teams, not solo queue. The only way to do it is to completely overhaul it so that you cannot group with other people. The moment you hit the three player mark, they now form a majority of the team. At lower tiers, it is possible to have four man premades and it greatly distorts the estimated MMR/elo rating because it can't account for teamwork. It can only account for wins/losses.

On top of that, Dynamic Queue prioritized shortening queue times over providing a quality match up. At lower tiers you might be able to get into a game within a few minutes, but the problem is that the games are highly imbalanced with mid Gold players being matched up against mid Silver players. A full tier difference in skill is already too great of a range. The difference is even greater in unranked blind pick where you sometimes have sub level 30 players in the same games as Platinum or even Diamond. Just because anything goes doesn't mean you should be dumping the first ten people who queue up into a game together.

EWBS Mithilesh4 votes

DQ does mach you with solo and duo players 50% of the time but the other 50 is a toss up. i have made posts about this but i just dont like DQ for several reasons

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/E1hyiNpg-rethinking-ranked-fives-and-tuning-dynamic-queue-comment-and-response

made a post a while ago

Jet Sett3 votes

Well said.

Umio4 votes

There needs to be 2 queues 1.SoloRanked - Solos only 2.DynamicRanked - premades of 2,3 & 5 only.

StrokeMyHammur3 votes

This, exactly this. I stopped this cancer at Gold V for the rewards could invest much more time in leveling.

Wish there was a pure solo Q.

arrowhead21k1 votes

You can't have both. If there is both then you split the players which will create much longer que times for both ques.

Connor Hawke3 votes

yeah i been trying to climb my way out of bronze and i face 2 issues....one i go against a 4 man premade and get shit on. or i get a premade on my team that wants to troll and not play the game to win. its always gonna happen.

shalexade3 votes

Is this a QQ thread about Dynamic queue because the premade wasn't co-ordinated enough?

Man, you see everything in these parts.

StrokeMyHammur3 votes

I hate this "I'm so edgy cause I don't criticize Dynamic Q" attitude like all those sheeple crying.

No, it is not cool to hate dynamic Q, nor is it trending. It is like criticizing Hitler. There IS a problem and is killing the community and vice versa Riot's future. We don't want that and actually care.

You on the other hand, believe in your 1 step Denk-Level and don't realize you are swimming with the fishes. So please, take off your fedora and actually help the community if you like league in general.

Debilitated2 votes

Constantly getting camped by four man bot lane is fun

Jet Sett2 votes

Or the team with amazing coordination making all the right calls and rotations while your sack of potatoes for a team meanders about.

Skyslayer6301 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/u24MOniV-a-simple-dynamic-queue-option

Would this fix the solo queue issue?

Dextix LT3 votes

No it wouldnt, because the same ranking would exist.

Quindec1 votes

i got qued in against a premade with a diamond ranked udyr and he\is bronze premade buddy our team lost cause of it

Jet Sett2 votes

Matchmaking is definitely not good right now, at least solo queue was equal in that even smurfs weren't familiar with their teammates.

Kingdom Corn1 votes

This reminds me of when i used to play counter strike and how the only way to win was to play with a premade.... If you cant beat them join them trust me I ranked up 4 times in csgo in 2 days just by playing with 4 other friends and Jesus Christ i went on a 14 game winning streak because a team game is not meant to be played solo if you didn't know. I still don't understand why LoL community wont play with their friends like communication is IMPORTANT if you see their jungler going mid but your mid laner didnt see it well maybe if you both were in a skype call that info could have been transported to their brains quicker. Playing with your friends over all is the better way and is the way to go. (Sorry if you get triggered for me having a different opinion) In my opinion Dynamic queue is better but the community doesn't have an open mind. Basically you playing with a premade adds communication which with communication you have a higher chance to win and will decrease the toxicity level. Or you can play solo have no communication and if you feed first blood your team will call you a boosted animal and then talk about your mom and what they did last night.

Jet Sett1 votes

We should have the option to enjoy the game when playing solo, as well as a fair and proper place to play ranked solo. You could make the argument that is a team game, but if that is enough for solo players to be disregarded, why weren't they before? Ever get the feeling some people like to play alone? Whether they don't want to play with friends or don't have friends is irrelevant, this isn't a dating site, no one should be forced together more than necessary. A system like this isn't needed for ranked, so they shouldn't force it on the community like this, they even made is so the max group is 3 in Diamond and up, showing a flaw in the design of this queue.

Has Riot even stated future changes to the queue to improve it? Because if they haven't then we can all assuredly say Dynamic Q as it stands is a very poor replacement to the previous queues that, while flawed, were still better than this. And with the new champ select Solo Q probably would've been an amazing experience.

Kingdom Corn2 votes

I agree with you we need to have a system where ppl can play solo and have fair games and have fun but welcome to league this is what riot does... They look for the change that wont suit anyone and they will add it in the game

More from Gameplay

3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay764 comments
7,167
votes
3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay156 comments
3,510
votes
UPVOTE FOR URF
Gameplay606 comments
2,440
votes
Yes plz.
Gameplay456 comments
1,721
votes
3 Refunds per season, up vote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay114 comments
1,716
votes
When is ANYONE at riot going to address the awful new player experience?
Gameplay634 comments
1,383
votes

More by Jet Sett

I just realized why the new champ has so many ward quotes
Memes & Games37 comments
222
votes
Why is Fiora so unpopular in M&G?
Memes & Games36 comments
148
votes
What I thought when I firt saw Jhin
Memes & Games58 comments
144
votes
There's always that ONE guy on the enemy team.
Memes & Games55 comments
109
votes
Why can't Brand get a penta?
Memes & Games27 comments
91
votes
Turrets can't catch a break
Memes & Games19 comments
77
votes