Let's Be Real About Jarvan

Hellish Prophecy·2/13/2015, 11:39:28 AM·9 votes·946 views

No one was crying for nerfs until the new jungle. Right now the Holy Trinity ( ) beat almost everyone else they come in contact with in the jungle. Jarvan himself? Here's the reality. The same things you are complaining about, his CC, utility, ect. ect.. They have always been there. You just didn't care until the other junglers were nerfed into oblivion because of the new jungle. One. Simple. Thing. Can be done to change J4's standing in having a high win rate and anything else you might have a problem with. And that requires Riot to look at new jungle vs. all junglers, and adjust it.

EDIT: I play pure tank J4. So I find the CC and his overall kit important to him, to someone playing full AD, I understand how powerful it is. I just want to clear that up.

21 Comments

N3mO062/13/2015, 1:19:55 PM4 votes

Buffing the other junglers is thesolution

Kingsgrave2/13/2015, 11:51:00 AM3 votes

Just because a champion appears due to nerfs to other characters doesn't mean they are perfectly fine and don't need adjustment.

Also, Jarvan has always been the goto perfect Jungler since Season 2. Saying he just appeared out of nowhere is incorrect.

Jarvan and Lee have the problem of being great picks under almost any circumstance. Just pick what makes them great and take away everything else and they would be perfectly fine and continue to do that to champs that pop up as perfect picks until everyone is a specialist at something. Thats what Riot should be doing instead of just buffing everyone to the generalist level.

Feathermane2/13/2015, 1:08:46 PM3 votes

But I did complain about Jarvan over a year ago and suggested that the hitbox of his knockup be reduced. Think what you will, the same champions keep popping up over and over. Nothing to do with the new jungle. J4 has been meta for a very long time. Same as Lee and Vi. And the reason is, other champions get nerfed repeatedly until they are no longer playable. Check out Aatrox, Hecarim, Skarner, Olaf, Sejuani. You intrude on the 'legitimate' junglers' turf, you get reworked or nerfed into unviability.

Knight SoIaire 2/13/2015, 12:24:02 PM1 votes

the new jungle fawours tanks more just like in s3 but tanks are totaly not worth it ballance wise so people pick bruisers with similar traits (innate buffs to survivability etc) while also having that damage (its the trinity you mentioned, they can gank and they have tools to tank)

also lately i was playing some nautillus, with barely any leash cleared the most of my jungle, took trailblazer and built a triforce i never went so ham with naut as i did in that game (shield just doesnt break unless enemy team focuses you hard)

so my conclusion is that the trinity of jungling we see is not as much op as they are preety unique pack of champs that has both the tank traits allowing them to be both the clearers of the jungle and gankers and it wouldnt be a problem if tanks wouldnt get rekt so hard

and you are right, riot cant nerf those champions because any other change to jungle that will make it more accesible will cause them to instantly become under powered as other champions who couldnt clear will just outclass them

killd0zer2/13/2015, 8:15:49 PM1 votes

Same thing happened to Zed, and all you're gonna see is crys for nerfs. Jarven may have always had his kit, but it's OP now, and there's no way of looking around it. Nerfs will come, dw.

Colgate Gator2/13/2015, 8:42:07 PM1 votes

Jarvan has always been relevant, no matter what, even when they took away his aura armor he kept coming back, and you said it yourself, he became quite the problem ever since the new jungle, because he was barely affected by it while others struggle to survive.

Adding to this, the variety of smites give him quite the edge (now that I think of three, that trinity shares the same thing, they can go either warrior or juggernagut without any downsides).

Damage, tankyness, mobility, utility, CC. He has a bit of everything and as long you aren't one of these J4's who first cast Q instead of E, you have an innate edge over the other junglers.