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The Problem with the Bronze Division and Placements (A Bit of a Rant/Opinion Piece)

Ragnarøkr··6 votes·2,019 views

So let me just start off by saying that I kind of took a season off last year, for the same reasons as I am about to explain. Coming back from that season (about a month ago) I was pretty delighted to see all the cool and new things that had been implemented. It took some time to get used to changes in items or champs, but now I would say I'm back into the swing of things. So I thought, "Hey, why not get back into some ranked? And so my problem begins.

Now I have no problem with having to work back up the later system starting in Bronze or whatever, and I'm not saying that I belong at the top by any means, but I am probably around a Silver I player if I am actually trying and work at it all season. So I'm not terrible (or i don't think so), but I by no means think I am great either.

So the problem begins when I go to do my placements. I start off 2 wins for 4 tries, so I think, alright, I can deal with that. I proceed to go 1 for 6 in the next sets of placement, due to some toxic, feeding, and AFK teammates. Honestly I might have dropped the ball and will take responsibility for maybe 1 of these losses as I am usually consistently decent. So I get placed in Bronze II, and think that I can deal with that no worries. Boy was I wrong here. I though that it was close enough to Silver to pick myself out of those Bronzes and get with a bit better caliber. And so the problem continues.

I have continued to try and try again in ranked games so I can get out of this Bronze placement, and I have been playing fairly well and am rarely toxic (you can check my history if you want I try to be kind), but have only won 8 games with 20 losses. Thats 8/28 for winning. In all honesty that is atrocious! I have included my last 4 of my ranked match histories in the link section but I will put them at the bottom too. As I hope you can see from these, the losses are not really my fault at all. I had decent games and mostly only died during teamfights because when they're all fed, I cant do much (maybe pick up 1 kill and then also die).

As you can see I mostly play Bruiser Junglers such as Lee Sin or Jarvan IV. I try to alwasy gank my lanes and usually get successful ganks, often getting first blood. I try to help those who need help, hold a lane as needed, control the dragons as possible, invade when I can, overall do what I can do to possibly win the games. So I do not think I am really the problem here. I always seem to get those trolls who use things like Full AP Malzahar Support, or the toxic people who just freak out on others after one death, or the people who decide to start a game then go eat dinner and just AFK, or the people who are just straight not ready to play ranked and maybe need some practice.

This is very frustrating to me and I find it a bit ridiculous. I know this isn't a problem I have alone, as many friends also have this dilemma and I have read other threads like this. I can only imagine how disheartening this situation could be to a person who just hit level 30 and wants to play ranked, but gets stuck like this. It can possibly cause them to quit (like I did), and never return (luckily I did return as I like the game).

I don't know what Riot could do here but maybe just look into it and share some ideas?

If anyone in a similar situation wants to talk about it or play some games and try to get out of it with me, feel free to add me. Below I attached 4 games to show how I think I am a decent player and usually end up unlucky with teams and think it's a problem.

Thanks for Reading, -Peter

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2132168670/36597930 http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2131479858/36597930 http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2130152265/36597930 http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2128816180/36597930

EDIT: I would like to emphasize the fact that I don't claim to be an amazing player here, but I don't think it is fair that I am being held back by this situation. I usually play Bruisers and Tanks, who are harder to carry with and die more often due to the fact that they are in there trying to set things up, so it makes it harder to get into a carry type situation. I'm not amazing, but I don't think I deserve the caliber of play I have been trapped in.

I also have no problem being a Bronze level player, as really that doesn't hurt me in any way. I'm not going anywhere big with this game. I just would like to be able to enjoy Bronze without the toxic, AFK, and purposely feeding players that end up ruining my experience.

What I mean by the Bronze Division is "flawed". There should be a way to keep all of the toxic people (the people who have been reported many times) in one category, until they have proven (through just time without report), that they would be able to play fairly so they aren't ruining games for everyone. This would be a similar concept to GTA V Online (if you have played that) where all the players who cause havoc and kill eachother are recorded and put with players who do the same so they don't ruin the experience for everyone.

Also as a side note, since I have been getting a lot of comments regarding my match history, I don't think you can entirely judge a game based on the end statistics. Sure sometimes I am carried, but often I contribute largely to the team dynamic. Even if it isn't through kills because it seems that's all most people care about, it can be through getting objectives, verbal help/attitude, baits, and so on. So I don't think looking at my end score and saying "this shows you do under average or poorly" is a proper representation of my abilities. Maybe we had an AFK and lost the carry. Maybe I had to go top midgame against a fed player who i couldn't take on. Maybe I was expected to initiate every fight and my team couldn't follow up properly resulting in more deaths on my part. You can't judge an entire event purely based on the result.

KEEP IN MIND I SPECIFICALLY WROTE THIS IS AN OPINION PIECE. I JUST WANTED TO PUT MINE OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT OTHERS THOUGHT. AN OPINION IS NOT A FACT AND CAN'T BE TAKEN AS 100% RIGHT OR 100% WRONG. THANKS

65 Comments

Viperjcs19853 votes

I started the season in B2 and hit silver within 20 games. It will go very fast if you don't belong there.

For example, I was winning 30-40 points per win and losing 10-15 points per loss until I hit silver. Now I win 25-30 and lose 15-20.

Ragnarøkr3 votes

Lucky you. Obviously you are better than I am, that doesn't mean I deserve toxic, AFK, and purposely feeding teammates every game.

Onegarion3 votes

There is a difference between deserving the players and getting them. Bronze has some of the most toxic players because there are so many players that think their teammates are keeping them there. This leads to a higher level of toxicity due to the amount of people who are around that elo.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

Yes and that is what I meant by the Bronze Division is "flawed". There should be a way to keep all of the toxic people (the people who have been reported many times) in one category, until they have proven (through just time without report), that they would be able to play fairly so they aren't ruining games for everyone. This would be a similar concept to GTA V Online (if you have played that) where all the players who cause havoc and kill eachother are recorded and put with players who do the same so they don't ruin the experience for everyone.

I don't think it is fair to have people so toxic that they are literally muted by their own team within minutes of a game starting. And I think that something has to be done about it. This is my opinion as I said in the title, it's an opinion piece.

Onegarion1 votes

That in itself is not a flaw of bronze. Outside of just being toxic many of those players have many underlying flaws that keep them in bronze. No amount of toxicity keeps a good player down. They will still climb regardless of how toxic they are. There are very toxic people in every division in every league. The reasons its worse in bronze are that they have the added parts of being bad at the game. They think they are much better and their team is always keeping them down.

Recently saw a Disco Heat video where a guy raged so hard because he thought his kha was feeding and useless because of 1 play. In the span of this video he managed to die at least 3 times, but blamed his team for the loss (Someone in chat said that they are level 3 accounts). Players like him are much more common the lower in elo you go because very few people understand the game.

its hard to coordinate with your team when no one understands how to play. If you ask bronze players to make a comp of champs that they find threatening, but aren't always a good match. Ask low elo players what a poke comp is and the difference between that and a disengage comp. What about a pick comp? Wombo? Many times players can't answer this and therefore don't know how to make them. This leads to disjoint win conditions for their teams, leading to the mess that is low elo.

With just these 2 facts that players don't understand its hard to do a lot with low elo players. This all leads to more toxic behavior because of a misunderstanding of the game and how to play it.

Now none of that excuses toxicity, but its a reason that the lower elos are much more populated with toxicity. Higher elos tend to be more about minor things that make a big difference against better opponents.

Lastly Riot has been against a Prisoners Island. Its not as good in a game like League because it will be extremely hard to get out even if you do reform. Once you realize you are there you instantly plummet down the hole even more. This kind of system works in GTA V because many times those players are griefers and its ok to let them do what they want to other griefers. They all get what they want in the end. League doesn't have a win condition for those players.

You also have to try and separate the hardcore toxic player who gets bans, the toxic player with chat bans, and the "bad day" players. There is a distinction and each needs to be dealt with differently. I've had my own bad days where I've had to get off the game because of the mood I was in, but that doesn't make me a hardcore toxic player or that I'm even remotely toxic. You may have 1 game with me on my bad day, but the other 364 I'm just fine. In the lower elos with many more players its much easier and more likely to get these "bad day" players and lump them together with the worse offenders. I can almost guarantee that you wouldn't see much of a difference in your games with a Prisoners Island because of this fact. Already a very small percentage of players even receive a punishment and even less a serious one. This would leave very few players percentage wise being punished or taken out of the game.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

I agree with everything you're saying here, but I don't know if I would quite call what I was thinking "Prisoner Island". I don't mean to like make them stay out of play for long, but maybe a 10 game span where they aren't reported at all, could show some improvement and allow them to potentially change their ways. I'll be honest, I used to get toxic every once in a while, I don't anymore, but it used to be a problem. I was never written up as it wasn't serious or anything, but I think if I were to have to go 10 games in a system such as the one I am trying to explain, I would change my act up quickly. It's just an idea I was throwing out there. I understand your side of it too though. Thanks for your opinion.

Lugg3 votes

It should be weighted with your years of experience. Someone who has 3 years of league experience shouldn't be placed any lower than Silver 5 in their promos, and that's if they lose every game. If they fall after that, so be it.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

I 100% agree with this. Experience should come into play with the placements. I also think that history of harassment and such should go into play with placements.

Lugg2 votes

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I also think that history of harassment and such should go into play with placements.

I love that idea.

Gated D Latch3 votes
  1. The division is not really flawed. Keep in mind that it is the lowest division, so expect players to be bad in bronze.
  2. You don't necessarily deserve to be in bronze; if you grind, then you will get out eventually ( like me). It took me about 50-70 games.

Therefore, the poll answers are pretty much flawed.

Edit: Velkoz Nautilus support carried me out of bronze :)

Ragnarøkr1 votes

I can deal with the players who maybe just aren't quite as skilled as most, it's the toxic ones or AFK ones that this was more directed to. I'm definitely going to keep trying, but I just feel maybe Riot needs to make some changes.

Asydic3 votes

Going to assume your a new player here.

5 tips I would give:

  1. You definitely at this point in time deserve bronze. Your ego or personal experience may say other wise, but your masteries, runes, cs difference (camp difference on junglers) are all unoptimised, confusing (movement speed quints everywhere) and poor. Your overall damage contribution to teams are also below average, implying you are not fighting correctly or contributing to teamfights.
  2. You may FEEL you are contributing more than you think you are, it may feel as if you have done your job properly, however this is obviously not the case. You claim to more often than not secure first blood, but you don't seem to snowball your advantage at all by reganking lanes with summoners down, taking camps when you see the enemy junglers on the other side of the map, etc.
  3. Your builds, especially lee sin's, is definitely incorrect. Although not a jungle main myself, I would highly recommend sites such as champion .gg or probuilds .gg for the correct runes, masteries and item builds. If you're serious about getting out of bronze to enjoy a higher caliber of games, watch streamers or youtube videos in the CURRENT time and essentialy copy what they do and think - I believe nightblue3 is an especially good jungler to watch.
  4. NOT EVERY GAME IS WINNABLE. You are correct that, in some times, especially bronze games, people will go afk, troll, etc, and this may make the game harder and/or impossible. In this case, simply criticize to the best of your ablities all your jungle decisions, mechanical plays, etc, and see where you messed up and could improve. Say you saw Elise coming from top side to gank middle, and notice her blue buff not on her, and you just finished scuttle crab, are you in a position to steal away her blue and capitalise on a failed gank or reduce the impact of a sucessful one? Jungle is one of the most rich roles to think about enemy movement and decision making goes a long way to upping your caliber as a jungler.
  5. Admit that you're probably bad. Not fine, not "better than the others", just straight up bad. Hell, I'm gold and I'm probably bad. Admitting you're bad, and not caring about your rank, as long as you still have a desire to win, is a great way to climb and is a good mental attitude for climbing.

Hope this helps.

Asydic

Alaska Dabstar1 votes

Do an analysis on me please. I am also banging my head into the wall.

Asydic2 votes

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Do an analysis on me please. I am also banging my head into the wall.

  1. The fact that you were silver in season 3 is encouraging. Use that as a motive - you've done it before and can do it again.
  2. Don't rush ruby sightstone. You want the normal sightstone.
  3. SWAP YOUR TRINKET. You already have a sighstone, you don't need the warding totem. Sweeper will allow you to clear wards, or blue trinket will allow you to check places from further away.
  4. Assuming you're a poppy main, your builds are erratic and confusing. Furthermore, your runes are also slightly unoptimised. As I suggested to the other guy. Look up every champ you play on champion .gg and probuilds and literally copy runes and masteries. These guys know way more than either of us and make their decisions for a reason - to win games.
  5. More on your item build - locket and face of the mountain are very important. I can imagine bronze is a lot of team deathmatches/skirmishes. Don't build any damage items until you finish these items. If you do finish these items, iceborn gauntlet and deadman's plate are fine items to get after locket and face of the mountain. ONLY AFTER THIS SHOULD YOU UPGRADE SIGHSTONE.
  6. Your kill participation and damage% to champions are both low. You may argue that damage does not matter as you are support, but to be real, you have to pull your weight and also follow your team around and help in teamfights.
  7. Jesus Christ I can't believe I just noticed this. CHANGE TELEPORT. While it may seem useful to set up plays or get back to lane, it lowers your potential to kill your lane opponents who will all be running exhaust or ignite. Run exhaust against everything unless you're against soraka or someone with a lot of healing, in which case you want ignite to cut their healing.
  8. Go swiftness boots and swiftness boots only. Currently best boots in the meta (see champion .gg / probuilds)
  9. Again, admit you're probably bad, drop any ego you have, and just be determined to focus on your own improvement. You may be bronze 5, but the fact you were silver at some point is at least encouraging and hope this advice will help you in climbing.

Thanks,

Asydic

EminenceVoid1 votes

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  1. The fact that you were silver in season 3 is encouraging. Use that as a motive - you've done it before and can do it again.
  2. Don't rush ruby sightstone. You want the normal sightstone.

Hey Asydic, could you do an analysis on me? I would really appreciate it

Here is where i check my stats http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=EminenceVoid

Asydic1 votes

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Hey Asydic, could you do an analysis on me? I would really appreciate it

Here is where i check my stats http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=EminenceVoid

  1. Your cs is pretty bad on diana (supposing she's mid). You want to aim for AT LEAST 6 (Really 7 to thrive) cs / min rather than the 4-5 you seem to have in your games.
  2. As an avid renekton main, warlords is a big no-no. The added lifesteal seems cool, but fervor or thunderlords are a lot nastier. This is because they are procced really really easily with your ablilities, especially your w. Fervor will apply twice (3 times with rage) on your w meaning you do an obscene amount of damage in early trades.
  3. swap out yellow trinkets to blue trinkets. Later on, not getting caught and being able to spot people from further away are way more important. I also find it easier to remember to place them beause you went to the effort of actually swapping it so it kinda jogs your memory to ward again.
  4. cs in general I realised is pretty poor, I dunno if it's ping, inexperience or not enough practise, would recommend custom games to practise. Solorenektononly is a really good channel who has some stuff on wave management which is super useful for toplane.
  5. Invest in magic resist glyphs. The AD ones are really really really bad regardless of who you're playing. The added magic resist might help you be able to mitigate the harass you'll receive as diana early game to up your farm. Would try get a full glyph set of magic resist.
  6. You have pretty bad KDAs - you're probably playing too aggressive, or not warding enough. You have never bought a pink ward which should nearly always be bought if you have a spare 75g and an inventory space. If you learnt to farm better this would become no problem

Your damage contribution seems to be good (Over 20%), which is even better because your kill participation is less than 50% (50 is a good standard). The main things you seem to have problems with are early gaming cs differentials and losing games from letting them snowball off that.

Again, I recommend champion.gg and (up to date) youtube vidoes to properly learn what you should run on champions and what you should not. The fact that you're bronze 1 is pretty promising and hopefully you can escape into silver soon.

Cheers,

Asydic

CarbRundum1 votes

Lol this guy is the League Guru

teach us Asydic-senpai

Ragnarøkr1 votes

First off I have been playing since Season 1 and as I said I have taken a year off due to the frustration in the ranking system so I am still getting into the swing of the new items, jungle, and so on. So yeah my builds might be a bit messed up and you might like them, but to be completely honest, they work for me so I'm probably going to keep them unless you make more specific suggestions instead of just saying it's bad, I will seriously look at it.

Second, I tried to make it really obvious that I do not have an ego at all when it comes to League. I don't claim to be good, I use the word "decent" at best. But that doesn't mean I should have a troll, toxic person, or person going AFK literally every ranked game I play. And I mean literally every game.

In regards to the first blood comment, I usually try to let the laners get the kills for the first blood and really anything after that as I want to make them feel better and have them snowball as (as I have said many times now) I never claimed to be great, and chances are they might be able to snowball harder than I could. I'm sure if you knew the people I play with, they would tell you I'm not the guy who needs all the kills or the perfect stats, I am more concerned with my teammates stats than my own.

I didn't mean to be rude in any of this either, I just was trying to hit all of your points with my opinions.

Bídoof1 votes

Heres my input as a currently Platinum 2 player

Your lee build is pretty... not good. You also build it every game. You need to optimize it per game. You are the only tank? Get alot of tank stats. Enemy team all AP? Buy extra MR. Your team needs more damage/you are snowballing? Get a black cleaver.

Regular lee sin game: Warrior enchant jungle item > boots of choice > tank items (dead mans, omen, spirit visage)

The way i look for builds is champion.gg or probuilds.net and look at what is working on those champs (same for runes masteries)

I understand you said you dont have an ego, but you need to lower that even more. You seem to blame your teammates for the losses which blinds you from your own mistakes. Best way to climb is say everything is your fault and try to improve!

Ragnarøkr1 votes

Yeah, that's pretty well what my Lee Sin build is like. And yes I would agree I overuse the exact same build in different games, simply because I am still getting used to the items this season and don't want to stray too far from my comfort zone with them. I will try to change that. And I don't mean to blame my entire team, usually there are a couple nice guys, I am blaming the AFK, trolls, or toxic people, who play a very large roll in bringing down a team. I know I'm not great, but I'm better than someone like that.

I will definitely try more build paths though. Thanks

Ragnarøkr1 votes

I would like to apologize about my previous statement. I think it might have been a bit aggressive and hostile. It was late at night and I think I misread some of your tips. Thank you for the advice, I have already started changing things. I will try to do better.

Rain Smurff2 votes

If your a gold player, just climb out of b2 ? It takes me a week to get out of silver... If your good, you'll be out.

Ragnarøkr2 votes

I tried to emphasize that I do not consider myself good, but might be able to make Gold V at best if I can get some decent teams to get out of Bronze. I am in no sense saying I am some great player because why lie to yourself about something as simple as that, but I don't think I deserve to be in the same ranked games as some of the teammates I get paired with.

MKDkilla2 votes

Has anyone in bronze actually taken their time to look at themselves and think that maybe they just aren't good and belong there? Your games aren't that impressive, honestly.

There is a distinct difference between a silver 1, where you claim you belong, and a bronze 2. You should be able to carry on mechanics alone, and should be going 5-0 by 10 minutes if you're jungling with a champion like Lee or J4.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

As I said in earlier comments (not sure if you read them) I do start off strong, and gank the lanes usually getting them first blood and kills after that also. But you are just looking at the end result and could never see that from purely just my match history. I pretty much always start strong, but when team fights come around, and their carries are fed from one of my players, and there's a toxic guy ruining the coordination, you tend to die more often on initiation. As I said before, looking purely at the end scores is not a proper judgement of an entire game.

And as I have said before as well, I do not claim to be some amazing player, I'm not even going to try to defend that because it's ridiculous to lie to yourself in something as simple as a game , but I know I am better than the toxic, AFK, feeding people I am constantly paired with.

rtbf2256182412 votes

Try champions that can ramp up and carry easier maybe. Something like Shyvana or Master Yi. Yi is exceptionally easy to carry with if you're really good with him.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

I would but honestly with my play style, I don't like squishier champions, which many carries are. I will try Shyvana again though, used to use her a lot. Thanks

rtbf2256182411 votes

Good luck!

disregardable1 votes

So I skimmed the post because it was way too long to read, and I don't understand what the problem is. "I lost some games, therefore the system is flawed"?

Ragnarøkr3 votes

That wasn't what I said, I know you just skimmed through, but I tried to emphasize that I can accept being placed in Bronze II, but since it would seem every game I get people who feed, are toxic, or go AFK, I think the system is flawed. I have friends in higher tiers and they never have this sort of thing happening to them, yet its every game in Bronze. I think the system is flawed because they need to weed out these players so that the game isn't ruined for everyone who gets stuck there like me.

The problem is not that I lost, it's the teams I lost with.

disregardable1 votes

Every game you do under average or poorly, as well. Honestly, if you want to climb you need to be better than the people you're playing with and against. When you lose because of your team, you should still have done well, ie shown that you're better than them. That's not happening in any of your games. Even in your past 3 wins, you just got carried, didn't earn any of them.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

Obviously I would agree and I never said I did overly well during these games, I said that compared to my teammates I do better. I usually get an even or close to it K/D ratio in a loss, and a positive one for a win. I don't know what division you are in, or what lane you usually play, but pretty well in Bronze, if you're a Jungler, you will get blamed for everything and if you don't gank all the lanes you will get blamed for them losing the lane. This means I often have to gank say a 4/0/0 Renekton at 10 minutes in with a top laner on my side who deals pretty well no damage. Now chances are that is going to end in a double kill for their Renekton, so even if I use all my combos, try to bait, use out turret, or even often get the Mid Laner to help, we still end up dying. And that is not due to lack of trying, it is due to the fact that our lane has fed them and he is now snowballing out of control. Now even if I did get a kill, it would barely dent that top laner as he is still fed, and now will just get their jungler to gank, and since no one wards well in Bronze, he will just get more kills.

Also as a side note I don't think you can entirely judge a game based on the end statistics. Sure sometimes I am carried, but often I contribute largely to the team dynamic. Even if it isn't through kills because it seems that's all most people care about, it can be through getting objectives, verbal help/attitude, baits, and so on. So I don't think looking at my end score and saying "this shows you do under average or poorly" is a proper representation of my abilities. Maybe we had an AFK and lost the carry. Maybe I had to go top midgame against a fed player who i couldn't take on. Maybe I was expected to initiate every fight and my team couldn't follow up properly resulting in more deaths on my part. You can't judge an entire event purely based on the result.

ElysMustache2 votes

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if you're a Jungler, you will get blamed for everything and if you don't gank all the lanes you will get blamed for them losing the lane.

Who gives a shit what they think? What do they matter? Here's a tip for winning in Bronze: when someone suggests something in game (they need gank, "don't focus the tank", "stay out of my lane", etc.), remember that they are giving you Bronze advice. Think about that. If you are better than Bronze, then you should have a better idea than they do about what is the right thing to do in a given situation. If the right thing to do is gank their lane, then do it. If it is camping the midlane for ten straight minutes, then do that. If it is clearing the enemy minion wave in their lane so that it can push to tower faster, then do that.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

I just don't enjoy causing problems within the team. I don't know how much Bronze you've played, but usually people think they 100% need a gank in all 3 lanes, at all times. Obviously that isn't possible. And if I go to push a bit, potentially get a tower out of it, I get yelled and at told to leave as I am taking too many minions or too much XP. SO I can obviously not listen and just do what needs to be done, but I don't want to make the game any less enjoyable for the rest of the team either by causing tension/problems.

ElysMustache1 votes

They did weed them out. They put them in Bronze.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

I understand that Bronze is there for a reason, to host the players that aren't at a high enough caliber. But I am not really talking about people who aren't at the best caliber of play. I am talking about the people who purposely feed, are toxic, leave the game for no reason, and ultimately cause a lot of problems for those in Bronze who are just trying to get out.

Saying that the toxic, feeding, and AFKer's all belong in Bronze is like saying that all the criminals belong with poor people. Just because maybe the poor people don't have the ability or opportunity to climb out of poverty (though obviously they would try), does not mean they deserve to be put with the worst part of the community (criminals).

ElysMustache1 votes

Right, so having those type of players is bad. But the analogy has been made a thousand times on these boards: if you're not the troll, you have only 4 players on your team that could be. The other team has five people that could be the troll/feeder/afk. So the odds are in your favor.

This shit really does happen to other people too. You have to be the difference. Hopefully you are familiar with the concept of variance. It happens in this game. My past experiences in Bronze were NOT that every game had a troll. Remember, some games will be unwinnable... and those games can't matter to you, because they don't mean anything. Other games will be unloseable (probably not a word), because someone on your team will carry so hard that your impact on the game is minimal. Those games also don't matter, and you can't even really feel good about them.

The games that matter are the ones in the middle. The ones in which your contribution does matter. And that is the majority of the games. The better you are, the larger this subset of games will be, because you will be able to leverage your influence better to impact the game.

As for having to put up with the "criminals" as you put it... just report them and move on. The report system does remove players. Back when the Tribunal was still running, I judged cases, enough that seven accounts were permanently banned. I have gotten feedback recently also that my reports have resulted in players being punished. Just file your report and don't give it a second thought.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

I agree with you in the unwinnable aspect, and to report players and such, but I have played with people who say they have been reported like 15 plus times, or just got off a ban and are back at it making the game terrible for others. I think there should be a more effective way to keep these players out of the normal games (and by that I mean the "clean" players games), by making them unable to join unless they aren't toxic for say 2 weeks or so.

LatetotheRace1 votes

Feasibly with the sheer amount of players in bronze, they could play with people only in their particular ranks right? E.G. Bronze 1 with bronze 1s, bronze 2 with bronze 2... etc. Not sure why this hasn't been implemented.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

I agree, I am playing with people in Bronze V on my team and have played against people who were Gold last season. I think there should be some way to keep it all Bronze II with so many Bronze players.

ElysMustache1 votes

A Bronze V player can duo with a Silver I player. So you'll sometimes see very wide skill gaps in your games.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

Yeah, but I think there is probably enough Bronze players to keep a whole game Bronze II (for example) don't you think?

ElysMustache1 votes

If everyone queues solo, perhaps. I mean, are you happy with the queue times now? Because that would definitely lengthen the queue times. I main support, so my average queue time is three seconds, but I hear other people wait longer.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

It's around a minute 30 for me when I go Main Jungle and Secondary Top. I would be willing to wait over 5 minutes honestly if it meant I could actually get more consistent games.

Goatfish1 votes

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Ragnarøkr1 votes

Alright, I just don't like playing selfish, makes me feel like a douche lol. But I would try to push lanes after good ganks, but usually my laners will freak out and get mad at me for being there and taking their XP from the waves and whatnot. Most of the times I get yelled at for pushing lanes. But I will try to improve in the areas you mentioned. Thanks.

YouPoro1 votes

confirmation bias on the feeding part ( ever elo including diamond has feeders), afkers happen at all elos, maybe in lower elos more than normal, but that's part of the game you can only win so many. If you yourself think you deserve at least gold, then you should be able to 3 v 5 basically in bronze. I can practically 1 v 5 after lane phase, there is no teamwork in lower divisions it's all about hard carry, this will change when you hit gold and you start to see better rotations and objective control. If you find yourself losing too much, try playing normals for a bit until your back to normal. If it makes you feel better I started at bronze 5 and know the pain of struggling through games with unfair matchups, and then I realised I need to stop relying on my team and just carry every aspect of the game until people know what the hell they're doing. Also your build paths and masteries are wrong for lee sin jungle, might want to look at some pro builds and masteries to get a better idea of what to build. Not to mention your playing lee sin, which is probably one of the most hardest champions in the game to master, why not try easier junglers who do more for less, if your looking to climb that is. When you play simple stuff like pantheon/amu/warwick and are not hindered by mechanics, you focus more on gameplay, afterwards you can work on mechanics.

Ragnarøkr1 votes

I would agree with you, and as I have said in many comments before this I am trying to get used to the new season with all the changes to items and so on (since I haven't played since Season 4), so I will change that. I have also already stated that at my peak of my playing, like in my best games, I could maybe make Gold V if I was lucky. I didn't say I belong in Gold or higher at any time, as I know I don't. And I have also already stated many times I will use other Junglers than Lee Sin.

Asydic1 votes

If you're addressing my comments do not worry, there was no harm done. Forums are meant for discussion and it's interesting to hear your side of things. I wish you well in climbing dynamic queue and hope you can acheive silver to get higher caliber games.

Thanks

Asydic

Ragnarøkr1 votes

Thanks, I just didn't want to be rude when you were trying to help.

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