Dragon Case (Rito pls)

Neomea·Dec 10, 2014·1 votes·739 views

Real talk: those videos of low level Fioras soloing dragon are pretty cool, but there are obviously more abuse than "neat" cases, so action had to be taken.

This right here kinda irks me, this was an awesome little quirk that a few junglers had that was fun and exciting to pull off because it was a high risk, high reward maneuver. Yea I know somebody's going to come in and say some bull about me being B1 but seriously take for example Jungle Pantheon, I see him I know to ward Dragon early on around 2-2.5 minutes and then ambush him in the pit if he tries anything funny because he (and fiora) have to use ALL of their skills to solo this guy. It has major counterplay (which is this major trigger word with you types in rito) and you just offhandedly label it as an abuse case? If this is an abuse case then so is Nunu running into the enemy jungle and taking camps in 5 seconds early game.

7 Comments

City of TorontoDec 10, 20143 votes

Yes there was room for counterplay, but there is also a lot of risk to that.

If the enemy mid laner follows you, then you're fighting a 1v2 trying to stop him from doing jungle. Unless you jungler is also there it is risky to go try to stop him. There's also the fact that if you go try to stop him at level 2 you will miss tons of experience and be under leveled. The way pantheon forces you to make a decision and take a risk is not the direction Riot wants to take.

NeomeaDec 10, 20141 votes

If your jungler isn't there after seeing Pantheon jungle ( or Fiora for that matter) then there is something wrong with that situation anyway. As someone who pretty much mains jungle I would have started topside in this case to make sure I was bottom side to stop a potential dragon solo, I'd also run a champion like Nunu or Lee Sin with strong execute potential to steal dragon away if nothing else. There is so much room to counter this it's ridiculous I'm not mad that they are removing it so much as they just offhandedly labeled it as abuse.

City of TorontoDec 10, 20142 votes

If your jungler isn't there after seeing Pantheon jungle ( or Fiora for that matter) then there is something wrong with that situation anyway. As someone who pretty much mains jungle I would have started topside in this case to make sure I was bottom side to stop a potential dragon solo, I'd also run a champion like Nunu or Lee Sin with strong execute potential to steal dragon away if nothing else. There is so much room to counter this it's ridiculous I'm not mad that they are removing it so much as they just offhandedly labeled it as abuse.

I disagree. Your jungler should not be forced to be at dragon at level 2 or 3. Level 2 means clearing one camp. There are ways to deal with it yes, but it's not what Riot intended. Also passive farm/weak early game junglers are screwed over and don't have a chance of dealing with this early dragon, such as fiddlesticks.

You shouldn't be forced to play a strong early-game jungler and start top side just because there's a pantheon on the enemy team. This in no way helps jungle diversity, which is already lacking.

eyes wide shutDec 10, 20142 votes

a champion being able to snowball his entire team at level 2 is toxic as fuck, shut the fuck up please thanks :)

NeomeaDec 10, 20141 votes

Level 3, and 8% (6% now) AD/AP that early is quite literally trivial, and as I said it has counterplay, you ward ( a novel concept I know) and gank the perpetrator as he's doing it and he can't do anything because all of his skills are on CD. Also be civil you coming in and telling someone to "Shut the F*** up" just for expressing their opinion (which is the purpose of a public forum btw) is pretty much the definition of toxic.

ZeliwinDec 10, 20141 votes

a champion being able to snowball his entire team at level 2 is toxic as fuck, shut the fuck up please thanks :)

I just warded it as a jungler as soon as I could, when I saw him do it I killed him :). Was never and issue for me...

City of TorontoDec 10, 20142 votes

That said, I'm not sure why they're nerfing Pantheon when they're already changing dragon's damage to spell damage instead of basic attacks. Pantheon can't block its attacks anymore.