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why can Quinn stay in ult indefinitely if she chooses to?

Wolfess··4 votes·761 views

I don't think having Quinn be able to remain in ult with the massive move speed boost where she can just constantly zone around and initiate and roam so freely is healthy. I think they should reduce the cost of the initial cast slightly and then give her an mp-cost-over-time to prevent her from just staying in ult until she decides to initiate or do something else, that way the ult remains favorable to use to get to an intended destination, becomes less favorable to just remain in it because you get a LOT of mobility that translates to initiates, positioning, skillshot evasion, and lowers the risk of being ganked for such an extended period of time.

I mean, Valor is picking up a human, that's at least close to 100 pounds, give or take depending on her actual height and body/muscle build plus gear, and according to the in-game model, Valor's body (excluding wingspan and all that) is able to land on her arm, probably the size of a larger falcon or perhaps an eagle. I could understand being able to carry her some distance, but being able to do so indefinitely doesn't look right thematically, which is where I could understand it a bit better if perhaps she could "reinforce" Valor with some strength and/or stamina using mana.

Thoughts?

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Critmaster Garen7 votes

because her ult does nothing else.

if it was temporary, it would essentially just be powerball taking up the slot of an ultimate instead of a regular ability.

im not saying its not useful, but its not spray and pray and lets her auto attack 5 people at once, or a 70 ad steroid.

HoukagoFapTime2 votes

Her Q and ult are extremely toxic. And it even drops to a 0 mana cost at lvl 16 (her ult).

Darkslayer852 votes

Have you ever played Hide and Seek? God, it's even worse there. She runs around the circle all game.....

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

Then what exactly would be the point of it then? It does literally nothing besides the MS buff.

CppL1 votes

i guees we need ad champ who has mobility as kassadin.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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i guees we need ad champ who has mobility as kassadin.

kassadin is MUCH worse. quinn has basically mobies on her ult. kassadin has flash on a 3 second cooldown.

you probably havent played this game in one of those phases when kassadin was strong. it was much dumber than quinn is right now.

GEMS GEMS GEMS1 votes

I mean to get a benefit out of her ult you normally have to go a decent distance. Just starting it up has a pretty long animation, plus when she's in combat it automatically turns off. I think it's ok really. She pretty much gives up an ultimate ability to have more roaming ability. I personally would rather have an ultimate that affects team fights.

Wolfess1 votes

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kassadin is MUCH worse. quinn has basically mobies on her ult. kassadin has flash on a 3 second cooldown.

you probably havent played this game in one of those phases when kassadin was strong. it was much dumber than quinn is right now.

I have, been around since season 3. I remember when kassadin was a pretty good go-to pick because anti-mage and mobility. He would jump walls and be hard to catch even when he was in the enemy jungle, kinda like how nidalee pounces, except a lot more annoying and a lot faster.

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Then what exactly would be the point of it then? It does literally nothing besides the MS buff.

she gets the skystrike out of it, which does 100% ad. which lands on the vault target if she vaules. it sounds like nothing to you but 120% move speed bonus is strong in a mobility based meta like we're in right now where people are building swift boots because placement and roaming are strong. meaning late game she's fast, can vault someone for 120 + 20% bonus AD + 100% ad plus vault's slow plus vault's harrier mark meaning next auto atk is also bonus physical dmg, assuming lvl 18, 100 + 50% AD.

so now we have a mobile innitial nuke auto atk of 220 + 150% ad + 20% bonus AD.

let's assume we have a "basic" marksman/adc build luke a typical bot-lane ranged champ just for argument's sake.

Let's say we have essence reaver + infinity edge and maybe bork instead of BT because i like bork on my quinn om nom nom

that's 65 + 65 + 25 = 155 bonus ad and 95 base ad at lvl 18. 250 total AD excluding runes and masteries.

220 base skill dmg + 31(20% bonus AD) + 375(150% AD) = 626 high mobility physical damage anti-squishy burst (excluding armor, excluding crit.) that's also excluding possible harrier mark from blinding assault, which at the moment I haven't researched if it will immediately mark right after having consumed vault's mark, but will exclude it because it's skillshot based and not targeted like vault.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

Skystrike is after she finishes the MS buff, or did you forget? Or maybe you for about the part where her auto attacks will deal more damage then Skystrike.

If all you are looking at is her ult, you can't combine a harrier mark and damage from other spells, as those have nothing to do with the ultimate.

Quepha2 votes

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she gets the skystrike out of it, which does 100% ad.

Wow, as much as a full auto attack? Such amazing power for an adc to have an ultimate that deals as much damage as a single attack!

ValyrianBlade1 votes

She can't...

One auto attack at her (or any ability hitting her) removes her from her ultimate. Even minions attacks hit her with a gigantic slow.

If she wants to attack or use an ability on anything, she exits her ultimate. So she can't even farm while in her ultimate.

Basically this can only happen late game if her allies are waveclearing and she's just dodging skillshots. Of which, what exactly is the point? Since Quinn could be helping with the waveclear given she's a ranged champion.

Wolfess1 votes

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She can't...

One auto attack at her (or any ability hitting her) removes her from her ultimate. Even minions attacks hit her with a gigantic slow.

If she wants to attack or use an ability on anything, she exits her ultimate. So she can't even farm while in her ultimate.

Basically this can only happen late game if her allies are waveclearing and she's just dodging skillshots. Of which, what exactly is the point? Since Quinn could be helping with the waveclear given she's a ranged champion.

move speed also means objectives and splitpushing. honestly it would be a huge problem if she would just farm minions while in her ult, just imagine rammus being able to stay in powerball mode indefinitely until they came into contact with a champ. Even in laning phase, that move speed can easily be a roam to mid, or from top to bot really fast, or to go stop a splitpusher.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

Err... you can't splitpush if you're not attacking the minions - that's sort of the "push" part.

You also can't do anything on objectives if you don't start fighting.

I guess what you CAN do is establish vision. Is that really a problem though? Your original post didn't seem to be complaining about her dropping wards everywhere, it was about not being able to land a skillshot on her...

Madra1 votes

If she wasn't able to stay in it permanently, they might as well just revert the rework.

warpenguin5551 votes

because she can be knocked out of it with damage and if she wants to do anything she loses it too

TenshouSNK1 votes

Is Quinn a meta pick?

Wolfess1 votes

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Is Quinn a meta pick?

she's always kinda been a top-lane cheese pick because she's good at dueling and has a disenage/self peel, but she's been getting picked a bit more often after her rework. her blind before was just an auto-atk-miss like teemo's blind but now it works like grave's smokescreen where you have vision denial except for a small area around you, making it harder to know what's happening even happening around you

TenshouSNK1 votes

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she's always kinda been a top-lane cheese pick because she's good at dueling and has a disenage/self peel, but she's been getting picked a bit more often after her rework. her blind before was just an auto-atk-miss like teemo's blind but now it works like grave's smokescreen where you have vision denial except for a small area around you, making it harder to know what's happening even happening around you

I mean is she in this meta currently, is she a meta pick right now? Can I pick her without get raged at ?

OverpoweredSoap1 votes

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I mean is she in this meta currently, is she a meta pick right now? Can I pick her without get raged at ?

Most people will be fine with you playing Quinn after her rework.

TenshouSNK1 votes

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Most people will be fine with you playing Quinn after her rework.

and how does she fit the current meta? Is she a good pick?

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