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veigar 5.5 nothing got fixed.

mak87·3/12/2015, 11:02:48 AM·39 votes·5,725 views

Hi.

While i was happy to read that Veigar was getting buffs due to his dfg compensatin buffs (a bit ironic), i really cant help to feel that nothing really changed at all. Patch 5.5 is a huge disappointment for me, i main Veigar and from what i have seen in 5.5 it does nothing to solve any of his problems. So, what are Veigars problems? too make this post a bit shorter, i refer to an other post i made.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/83ubEaj0-veigar-q-e-farm-suggestions

There i have described veigars problems in more details.

But to sum it up fast.

Q is prevented from hitting enemy champions due to minions. it doesnt need to be faster.

w same old, cant be hit without e unless somebody lags really hard or does not pay attention.

E 0,75 warning particle, step to the side and you are safe, inside or outside of the circle you will live unless you really mess up.

Why ? the area covered by veigars e is 441786 area of W is 39760, that means that his w covers less then 10% of the total area of his e, the actual is 8,99%

so by casting your w inside your e, chances of hitting something are small, add to that a skilled player and you actually wont hit a thing.

On the defense, the delay is veigars death, i know it will stop dashes but this really wont solve much, champions like kata that have a blink ability will simply walk over him, even a flash is a free kill unless he is under the tower or with his team.

The damage reduction post dfg.

Veigars abilitiy to nuke has been reduced enormously.

old veigar with dfg 1000 ap.

q 280+ 600 w 320+1000 r 500+1200 that is a total of 3900 multiply by 1,2 for dfg effect 4680 + 15% of enemy max hp lets say enemy has 2500hp. that will be 375 so a total of 5055 dmg. that is even excluding the 80% scale of enemies.

new veigar with 1000 ap.

q 280+600 w 320+1000 r 500+1000 a total of 3700

but hey q got buffed, he got a lot more stacks from q lets add 200ap just for the fun of it.

taking into consideration the deathcap effect of 30% extra ap. that is 0,6*260+ 260+ 260= 676dmg.

a total of 4376 dmg that is 674 dmg less with an extra 200 ap on his q.

that is about 13% reduction in damage with an extra of 200ap from q.

So please Riot, when you say you give him some mage love, dont make it bend over and get ****ed

Either fix E in a way that gives the little guy a chance, or replace it with something better.

Regards Michael

77 Comments

olnaiOj4xv3/12/2015, 11:37:21 PM11 votes

The old Veigar was honestly fine. If they changed him because of the new 'support Veigar' having an instant aoe stun at level 1 then they could have just changed it to having a delay at rank 1. And for that delay to disappear throughout the ranks. So at rank 1 is has a 1 second delay but at rank 5 the delay is gone.

Lord Malice3/12/2015, 7:35:32 PM11 votes

Veigar had low ranges, high CD's and high mana costs, to compensate he had a sweet skill shot Stun, that if you landed could save your life or end one. Now that's gone and the Q is arguably worse... explain how this is balanced?

OhOkYea3/12/2015, 11:05:15 AM7 votes

I know it sucks not to be able to 100-0 people with little to no effort.

UPfreely3/12/2015, 5:51:19 PM6 votes

if they leave Q a skillshot it needs to go through EVERYTHING.

Kelmux3/12/2015, 11:46:54 AM5 votes

See, my biggest thing about the new Veigar is that I feel his Q's range is too short. Either make the total range longer, or do what they did with Sion's E (the shout) Where if it hits something, it gets extra distance to travel, but if it doesn't hit anything, it stops at the first distance (I know Sion's E only goes extra distance if he his a minion, but I think Veigar's should go extra if it hits any enemy).

NVDax3/12/2015, 9:36:00 PM3 votes

I wonder, did Meddler ever get back to us on why the team is keeping his w so difficult to land?

InKatWeTrust3/13/2015, 4:02:59 AM3 votes

So for all of these people crying that his stun was some broken unbelievable amazing ability that just made veigar broken easy able to 100 to 0 someone with no effort, why was he rarely used? Why was his win rate barely 50 percent? Why was he almost never used in lcs and when he was he was used as SUPPORT! The answer is u stupid shits honestly are just spewing the same garbage u have heard others spew and it's just one less champion u have to worry about going up against ur main

skyfall6193/12/2015, 12:01:34 PM2 votes

give w 2-3 charges. make meteor shower on those trapped within cage

Flaming Tribble3/13/2015, 1:40:53 AM2 votes

I don't even need to play him to know he still sucks. like I said before KARTHUS's Q is .5 sec. I can dodge that all freaking day with no real effort involved. whats the point of having a stun IF YOU CAN"T STUN ANYTHING?

MrFun3/18/2015, 5:27:31 PM1 votes

I think you guys have it wrong. I too would main Veigar before the nerf but the small changes in 5.5 are getting him back. An increased speed by 200 units on 'q' is amazing in comparison to the past 650 particle speed. They also halved the time it takes for his 'e' to activate. Though this isn't instant it has made a significant difference from the original change. I think you guys aren't playing him right anymore. Veigar is not the same and you shouldn't be playing him exactly the same anymore. Because of his increased 'q' range you guys needs to understand how much that has opened opportunities in top lane. I have been maining top Veigar in ranked since the 5.5 patch last week. I build rod of ages initially then the usual veigar build. It is comparable to Nasus top with the exception that you aren't a tank. He can play so much safer now and you can farm so much more. I agree he isn't completely there yet and a few more tweeks are necessary but he is not a lost cause. 'Q' hitting minions gets in the way sometimes I know but I have been getting triples and quadra kills with veigar easier than before because my late game 'q' will nuke multiple people at a time. Also remember a skillshot means fog of war is a joke to you. Veigar Veigar

Y0zNQOm8oj3/13/2015, 12:32:22 PM1 votes

Dude, i was completely raped by the new veigar, he has way too much damage

NVDax3/12/2015, 9:30:26 PM1 votes

They're buffing the range of q and e next patch.. .Still not really solving the problem,