veigar r one shots adcs with mr??

Modwalla·Oct 27, 2015·7 votes·2,044 views

ok played as tristana full build with spirit visage still gets one shoted with just ult... ?? so in order to survive that,, only banshees will work?? wtf

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BeatzBoyFTWOct 27, 201513 votes

Yes, because all ADCs are suppose to prioritize Banshee more than SV since you're more prone to being CC'ed/bursted down hard & needed that lucky spell-shield, ADCs don't really want that 10% cooldown & a healing boosting factor when they preferred crit bursts more than sustain.

NoDomeAtHomeOct 27, 20151 votes

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Yes, because all ADCs are suppose to prioritize Banshee more than SV since you're more prone to being CC'ed/bursted down hard & needed that lucky spell-shield, ADCs don't really want that 10% cooldown & a healing boosting factor when they preferred crit bursts more than sustain.

Totally not his point, why are people so trolly on the forums..... -_- Veigar is very broken right now, and needs a slight tone down on AP scaling.

Very Hard EngageOct 27, 20154 votes

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Totally not his point, why are people so trolly on the forums..... -_- Veigar is very broken right now, and needs a slight tone down on AP scaling.

oh im sorry we were in a 50++ minutes game, he was allowed to snowball and or reach +500 ++++ bonus AP + full AP build, necessary to 1hko you with R alone. (calculated hp + spirit visiage MR)

isn't it surprising that a champion with infinite scaling does tons of damages in the late game?

the only 2 differences between him and nasus is instead of killing champions, he takes turrets, and instead of being squishy ranged, hes tanky melee, why aren't we complaining about those 2000 damage nasus 2second Q's?

IAMS4T4NOct 27, 20152 votes

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oh im sorry we were in a 50++ minutes game, he was allowed to snowball and or reach +500 ++++ bonus AP + full AP build, necessary to 1hko you with R alone. (calculated hp + spirit visiage MR)

isn't it surprising that a champion with infinite scaling does tons of damages in the late game?

the only 2 differences between him and nasus is instead of killing champions, he takes turrets, and instead of being squishy ranged, hes tanky melee, why aren't we complaining about those 2000 damage nasus 2second Q's?

isnt surprising a champion with infinite ap scaling and retarded ratios is broken? isnt it surprising nasus has no range whatsoever and is insanely easy to kite?

downvote me plebs, veigar is broken

Very Hard EngageOct 27, 20153 votes

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isnt surprising a champion with infinite ap scaling and retarded ratios is broken? isnt it surprising nasus has no range whatsoever and is insanely easy to kite?

shame, you already lost your nexus.

AbyssphereOct 27, 20152 votes

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isnt surprising a champion with infinite ap scaling and retarded ratios is broken? isnt it surprising nasus has no range whatsoever and is insanely easy to kite?

Yes, it is surprising that a champion with infinite AP scaling and high ratios is broken, because he never was before.

frigginmurlocsOct 27, 20151 votes

Shame that your turrets are worse at kiting than I am

lB2kGRlc8yOct 28, 20151 votes

Get 1 decent assassin to take Veigar out of the equation before the fight and problem solved. He was absolute garbage back in the assassin meta even though every noob is spouting that he was op in hindsight. Aside from 1 skill in his kit, everything can be dodged and/or countered by some item. The only true thing you've spouted was that Nasus is balanced via kitability, whereas Veigar is immobile and squishy as fuck.

BeatzBoyFTWOct 27, 20153 votes

Choosing between picking a suitable item to counter him, or just QQ everyday.

I choose the first, apparently yours is pathetically the latter.

ModwallaOct 27, 20152 votes

I always preferred sv cuz i can then enhance lifesteal and stay in fight longer whereas banshees can easily be countered by using first spell as a decoy and then the full burst spell after

alasarcherOct 27, 20152 votes

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I always preferred sv cuz i can then enhance lifesteal and stay in fight longer whereas banshees can easily be countered by using first spell as a decoy and then the full burst spell after

U are backline, there is NO WAY, someone can break your banshee before fight starts, unless your positioning is wrong.

Joe DreddOct 27, 20154 votes

its actually pretty easy to break banshee l0l

Meep ManOct 27, 20151 votes

Not if you position correctly.

BârdOct 28, 20151 votes

KogMaw

Joe DreddOct 28, 20152 votes

The only way I wouldn't be able to pop a bashee's is if the enemy with it plays so far back that we can just engage anyways.

SirsirOct 29, 20151 votes

Have you ever actually played adc?

Fizz is not FishOct 27, 20158 votes

He cant. You have 30(base)+12(runes)+60(sv)=102 MR 1937(base)+400(sv)=2337 HP

Assuming: Veigar has item 3020 + item 3135 . The real MR is 102*0.94*0.65-15-8(runes)=39. To kill a 2337 HP && 39 MR Tristana by just pressing R (500+1.0AP damage), Veigar need (2337*1.39-500)=2748 AP.

Yeah, this cant be true. You missed something.

Maximum MordeOct 27, 20157 votes

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He cant. You have 30(base)+12(runes)+60(sv)=102 MR 1937(base)+400(sv)=2337 HP

Assuming: Veigar has +. The real MR is 102*0.94*0.65-15-8(runes)=39. To kill a 2337 HP && 39 MR Tristana by just pressing R (500+1.0AP damage), Veigar need (2337*1.39-500)=2748 AP.

Yeah, this cant be true. You missed something.

Basically this. You might have gotten decked by Q+R+Ignite or W+R, but saying you got one shotted by R alone is a lie. You got comboed by at least two spells probably all three. And, good news, his W ratio is nerfed on PBE.

http://i.imgur.com/P0iebMy.gif

BattleOxeOct 27, 20153 votes

Not anymore. They changed it. He gets only bas DMG on both Q and W nerfed. But those scaling... more people will cry

ModwallaOct 27, 20151 votes

I swear it was just veig ult I wasn't dumb enough to let him stun me and I made sure he used the other 2 damage spells on minions before I went in

MathbalnaseOct 27, 20151 votes

Were you maybe already at half health or less? Or maybe like 5 levels behind or something? Because otherwise the math just doesn't add up.

ParessOct 27, 20158 votes

Spirit Visage over Banshee against Veigar lmao :laughs:

ModwallaOct 27, 20151 votes

whats so wrong about it? as long as u don't get stunned she cant kill you u get banshee and she can q u for the spell shield and then ult

ParessOct 27, 20151 votes

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whats so wrong about it? as long as u don't get stunned she cant kill you u get banshee and she can q u for the spell shield and then ult

If you can't dodge a Q without a stun placed then the problem is you

BattleOxeOct 27, 20154 votes

Well, first of all, dont let him have 2000+ AP

Reaper SorakaOct 27, 20153 votes

I had a roughly-1700 AP Veigar that couldn't 1-shot a Jinx that had scimitar. maybe if he used it while my Zeke's was active he could, but without he was just short of it. (Ha!)

Curling VeigarOct 27, 20153 votes

you probably died to his full combo because there's no way in hell he can reach an amount of AP to oneshot you with R alone as an adc with the MR from visage... lol he'd need over 2.5k AP

SEKAIOct 27, 20152 votes

Because having little MR and HP is really not much especially when you're a squishy up against Veigar.

GA would have helped you more.

S3XASOct 27, 20152 votes

Here is an idea dont get hit by veigar ulti, if u dont get hit u can have all dmg items and u wont need to survive veigar ulti.

Meep ManOct 27, 20152 votes

Against Veigar as ADC, I get item 3102 and a item 3139 , then ask my Support to get item 3222 and maybe even a item 3190 . It helps a LOT and makes Veigar nearly useless against you IF YOU POSITION CORRECTLY!

Handin Out NapsOct 27, 20152 votes

Don't bother complaining about mages on the boards. This place is a low elo mage main fuck fest lol. Dw Veigar's ridiculously high ban rate+high winrate will definitely net some nerfs from riot :^).

lB2kGRlc8yOct 28, 20153 votes

So you don't have anything relevant to say? You on the Veigar hate bandwagon because dodging his highly telegraphed attacks and building slightly different items is beneath you?

Handin Out NapsOct 28, 20151 votes

Look here buddy I don't have anything to say because all you guys will ever do is defend your freelo and bombard anyone who says he is broken with downvotes. This board is the definition of hypocrisy. They will swear Zed is 0 counter play bullshit, but when Veigar is broken they will say just build a zhonyas. They will swear Yasuo is super unfun to play against, but his 14% ban rate compared to veigars 48% ban rate in plat+ really shows who people prefer to play against. They swear its unfair Yasuos windwall is an ultimate level ability meanwhile Veigar had an improved Jarvan and Thresh ult. They will sit there and swear all their mages are really balanced and continue to complain about champs that don't even have 50% win rates in higher elos, while lux ahri and veigar all have huge win rates and huge play rates. Face it Veigar is over buffed, and needs nerfs this entire boards is just hypocritical. Please tell me Veigar doesn't need nerfs while he sits there with his 14% pick rate 48% ban rate and 52% win rate all in plat+. Stop dodging the obvious with all your excuses. There is simply no point arguing a mage is broken here because this entire boards is a low elo mage main circle jerk.

lB2kGRlc8yOct 29, 20153 votes

Veigar's ban and pick rate are a response to noobs seeing him played in LCS and everyone shitting themselves over what he does. They have the retarded notion that all-inning him is impossible allowing him to get past his early game worthlessness. They refuse to itemize properly and assume since they got encircled by his E that they can no longer dodge the ability that can only consume 30% of the total area inside the E. Assassins have oddly fell out of popularity, and they were his main counter, just like how tanks shat on the assassins of the previous meta. You spewing out statistics makes your argument weaker as well, because statistically, Veigar never needed to be reworked in 5.4. Maybe somebody would value your opinion just a little if you had legitimate gripes and comparisons, but all you have is statistics from low ass elos giving you an incomplete profile of his actual strength.

Handin Out NapsOct 29, 20151 votes

Statistics from plat+ check champion.gg for proof. Like I said before I'm not gonna waste time arguing about mages on these boards. Veigar has nerfs comming and probably more if his percentages don't drop. Have a nice day bud.

GrashnimOct 27, 20151 votes

item 3140

FeathermaneOct 27, 20151 votes

Read up on counterplay, bruh. Rework did nothing to give Veigar more of it. Someone is getting paid for all these shitty reworks, and it's enough to make you laugh.

PuynsiOct 27, 20151 votes

Why people keeps screaming about veigar getting a nerf? He already got his ult scaling nerfed twice, now you can't oneshot people unless they have +800 ap, you don't use your ult on the damn adc, you pop the ap carry. Also, stop lying, veigar couldn't have oneshot you with his ult only.