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i said, it shouldnt be ok even for vayne to just shred through tanks in less than 5 seconds. not that counters shouldnt exist.
You can shred through Vayne in less than one second. Make use of those five seconds to set her up if you can.
If you can't, why are you diving 1v5 into a team with Vayne?
going by your argument, we didnt ever need to nerf any assassin in the history of this game, because theyre made to kill other champions.
there is a point at which champions are too strong even at their intended job. and vaynes entire design is kindof ridiculous.
Vayne is so strong at her intended job that she has been rocking around a 47% win rate most of the season and even super late game has merely a 52% win rate.
This is despite the fact that only Draven has a more experienced playerbase among ADCs.
Force Vayne to have to switch between targets so she can't easily proc silver bolts. Take advantage of her low range and lock her down so your assassin/APC/bruiser can burst her down.
Vayne isn't meant to be easy to beat late game, though ironically she is actually much easier to handle than, say, Twitch, despite her weaker early game.
being able to kill tanks doesnt necessarily mean she should be able to burst them. if you dont want to see full ap maphites or full ap zacs blow up ad carries with little counterplay, then you need to allow their tank builds to actually be tanky to a certain point.
They are tanky.
what do you think why so many tanks are building ap bruiser with a lot of damage mixed into their defensive items? because its more effective than a 6 item defensive build.
Funnily enough neither Zac nor Malphite do that in their most common or highest win percent builds.
The problem you're shilling does not actually exist.
at some point of enemy champions being able to tank shred, the best defense really becomes a good offense. you survive longer and are more effective by bursting the vayne, than by trying to tank her.
Stop trying to mindlessly soak damage and focus instead on zoning her with your utility then.
and thus we dont actually have actual tanks anymore, but everyone is just trying to burst each other.
No, this is a load of horse dick.
Zac is one of the best junglers in the game and is being built full tank. Malphite is still built full tank with maybe an Abyssal Scepter thrown in. Rammus as always is still doing okay and can still duel any ADC save Vayne late game. Amumu is doing well as both a full tank and an AP bruiser (he's always been built as both). Sejuani is doing well as a full tank jungler.
Tanks aren't bad. They're just unable to dive the backline and kill the ADC like they were doing a few patches ago when Nautilus was king of the top lane. And that's good. They shouldn't be 5,000 health assassins, nor should they be unkillable.
Also, your bias is hilarious. I love how you're so focused on Vayne rather than the even more fed Master Yi who is at least as good at killing tanks, if not better.
Dies in 2.1 seconds (apparently) yet 
