Rammus literally doesn't counter attack damage/basic attack champions now thanks to true dmg

fjZBSPlQ9b·12/27/2018, 4:48:59 AM·34 votes·9,211 views

It's fucking unreal how stupid that statement is. A champion MEANT TO COUNTER ATTACK DAMAGE CHAMPIONS IS NOW COUNTERED BY ATTACK DAMAGE CHAMPIONS. Let that statement sink in.

57 Comments

A Bad Nasus12/27/2018, 7:05:02 AM27 votes

Posts like these make me wonder why I continue to visit the boards.

Śhunpo12/27/2018, 6:25:14 AM20 votes

He sure as hell counters ADCs. No matter how many anti-tank items I build he'll still 1v1 me with only Thornmail and Tabis.

Tennousu12/27/2018, 6:49:35 AM11 votes

As far as I'm aware, he still does.

  1. His W basically gives him 100% bonus total armor AND 50% bonus total magic resist, covering not just AD auto attack damage, but on-hit magic damage as well (looking at you, Irelia and Jax).

  2. His reflect passive synergizes with his W since it scales off his total armor, and has its damage further boosted while its active.

  3. Rammus is probably the single best user of Thornmail in the entire game, with his passive and W scaling with Thornmail's armor, and Thornmail's passive scaling with Rammus' own W.

  4. Rammus also has one of the best armor scalings in the game, and is one of the top 5 Champions with highest armor (109) at level 18.

Literally the only two champions I can think of that can actually brute force a Rammus to death through his W and Thornmail is Master Yi (flat and % AD true damage from his E; on-hit build with Rageblade and Bloodrazor) and Jax (basically meant to 1 v 1 anyone in the late game).

Edit: Just some math for funsies:

Assuming Rammus is level 13 with nothing but Tabi's and Thornmail:

  • Rammus would have 83 armor from levels, + 20 from Tabi and + 80 from Thornmail, giving him 183 total armor.
  • Rammus using his W would give him 30 + 100% bonus total armor, and thus would have 183 + 30 + 183 = 396 armor while his W was active.
  • Rammus' passive would deal 30 + 15% total armor (0.15 * 396 = 59) = 89 damage on its own while W is active.
  • Thornmail would deal 25 + 10% bonus armor ( 0.1 * (20 + 80 + 30 + 183) = 31) = 56 damage.
  • 56 + 89 = 145 magic damage reflected for every auto attack done during W.
Jamaree12/27/2018, 4:54:02 AM10 votes

Yeah he does, what? You still can't get 100% true damage conversion, he still does a shit ton to them.

DuskDaUmbreon12/27/2018, 12:22:47 PM6 votes

Because people that do true damage apparently do nothing but true damage, despite this being nothing like reality for anyone but Yasuo and Rageblade Yi.

AR URF12/27/2018, 8:40:06 AM5 votes

I don't agree with this post. I've seen rammus hard counter Jhin MasterYi, even Vayne.

And he's supposed to, I get that, so don't be like "and you're surprised?!?" Rammus is perfectly fine right now.

Flawless Fetus12/27/2018, 4:28:50 PM3 votes

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It's fucking unreal how stupid that statement is. A champion MEANT TO COUNTER ATTACK DAMAGE CHAMPIONS IS NOW COUNTERED BY ATTACK DAMAGE CHAMPIONS. Let that statement sink in.

If your statement was true, that would be insane. Its not, though, and it just makes you look like a less than decent thinker. Lol.

DoktorKaiser12/27/2018, 9:58:13 AM3 votes

I mean it's not that he is countered by every AD champion, but the ones using conqueror definitely shit on him super hard. Honestly these days when I play Rammus I am happier when I see full AP team rather than Yi jungle, Yasuo mid and Irelia top because that means I get to live more than 2 seconds in teamfights.

SuffocateMeDaddy12/27/2018, 10:29:00 AM2 votes

And? Are you forgetting why conqueror exists in first place?

Monstermushmush12/27/2018, 8:28:00 AM2 votes

The heck... HE DOES THO!

FéliXXX12/27/2018, 10:40:28 AM2 votes

Being a counter to AD doesnt mean u autowin and btw i dont rly think rammus is suposed to counter an adc lategame or a bruiser in 1v1 he does his work but his kit is kinda ''xd''imo but i dont rly know much about the champ.

Mc Raton12/27/2018, 4:03:28 PM2 votes

Conqueror.

OrangeMarine12/27/2018, 5:11:28 PM2 votes

item 3124 item 3153 Yi works but in general, no.

maybe if they're really ahead

Dr Dog12/28/2018, 1:50:49 AM1 votes

no he isnt? unless you count yi anyway who he still actually counters, guessing this is a qq post about conqueror and if so you should probably take into account that conqueror is still countered by armor because conquerors true dmg is a % of how much your auto is doing to them, if your autos are at a base level doing 50 dmg conqueror is barely doing any true dmg because its true dmg is dependant on how much your autos are doing to begin with

Śhunpo12/28/2018, 4:18:13 AM1 votes

This post is simply not true. What you should be complaining about is the abundance of mages and their ridiculous DPH, DPS and zone control (CC) which outright make Rammus useless besides a taunt bot that runs in, taunts someone and then dies to the mage(s).

Conqueror and AD orientated champs are the least of his worries. For the most part he still counters them outside of champs that deal an insane amount of true damage (such as Vayne) or a champion such as Jax who deals too much damage in general (not just because of Conqueror).