It's not a meme: Balance has really tamed my addiction to this game

Yordle Xayah··51 votes·16,394 views

If you check my Tristana Mastery Points, you'll realize that I've played this game more than your average League player. I've been playing since September 2012, and have never though about quitting, not even now. Yet, ever since Worlds 2018 was done and the post-season patches started rolling out, I just don't feel like playing anymore. I haven't had fun ever since the ADC massacre and Riot introducing that fake diversity they talk about, but I really wanted to get Gold (I did) even if I wasn't having that much fun getting it.

It's not a lie that Crit ADC have never been in a worse state, and I've been playing either Karthus Bot or Zoe Mid (if I can get it) in the games I've played, but I'm just not having fun. I'd make a comment about damage but I think my distaste for the game stems more from overall game flow.

Here's a realistic scenario: You're taking Drake with Jungle, AD and Mid at 21 mins. Support is warding up Baron and their Blue Jungle. Friendly Top is pushing but has no TP. Even though their Top Laner is holding back yours, you suddenly get engaged 4v3 at Drake and die. They take Drake, then summon Shelly (Herald) and push as 4. They go take two (sometimes even three) towers with that single push, while the Supp and recalling Top can't realistically defend against 4 people and Shelly. Also, since Top lane recalled to try to stop the push with Shelly, their Top now takes the plateless Top tower. Now, this isn't gonna happen every game, but it's a realistic situation and it feels HORRIBLE when something like that happens. It's just a sign of how bad the game flow can be.

League has been one of my favorite games for a very long time. One of my favorite things to do in my free time was start up League and play Normals while listening to Audio Books or Podcasts, but lately not even that I can do. I really hate the game flow right now. I don't know why make the game faster. I don't know why try to compete directly with faster paced games (Yeah, that one Battle Royale game) that are designed to be faster and be a completely different experience.

I'm not quitting the game, but I would be lying if I didn't say that because of what Meddler and his team have been doing, I suddenly find myself with time I didn't have before to do art, writting and music projects. I'm not trying to enforce a meme, this is actually what's happening: The ones in charge of game balance/design managed to break my addiction to the game, but I don't know if making people quit is what drives the balancing process. Or maybe people aren't quitting. Dunno, Riot hasn't released player stats in a while. Google Graphs show YouTube searches for the game are lower than they were for August 2010, which means people are consuming much less content about the game than just a couple years ago, and I don't know how that translates to actual active players, but that's that I guess.

For months now I've been an advocate to NOT buff Crit ADCs and instead nerf stuff around them, but I don't think it's happening. I'm not holding my breath for the future. I'll continue to play, but my addiction has been heavily tamed by the current state of the game. And just to end: People complaining is a sign that we care for the game and the direction it's going. The day complaints stop is the day nobody cares anymore, and then the game will truly be dead.

Rant over. Happy New Year everyone!

Tristana

Edit: The Nexus Blitz sled is fun and cute :)

49 Comments

ImGodlyatYasuo19 votes

Riot refuses to listen, sorry mate. Maybe post it on reddit they might care a bit then.

Nenthos20 votes

Reddit is filled with riot ass kissing. Any type of criticism is ignored and there's only posts about streamers, skins, or anything not related to the actual game being trash.

Abibyama II2 votes

Sure

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/aayvu4/lol_reads_your_browser_tabs_is_this_a_gross/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/aaxhin/worst_skin_of_2018/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/aauu9q/as_a_player_who_only_plays_ranked_playing_3/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a9pqvq/maybe_its_because_ive_been_playing_this_game_for/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a9qyjk/as_a_season_1_player_i_hate_that_the_game_is/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/aa0sc1/why_is_chogaths_ult_indicator_so_bad/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a9zguv/zvens_thoughts_on_na_soloq/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/aacnma/i_am_genuinely_worried_about_kayle/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a9pce0/why_does_every_friggin_mr_item_have_to_have_cdr/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a9ylqg/what_was_in_your_opinion_riots_biggest_fuckup_of/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/aanamv/what_happened_tothis_champion_has_mana_issues/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a971bq/jax_has_way_too_much_early_presence_to_justify/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a9f0s6/sion_is_the_only_tank_lefr_thats_worth_first/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a8z44e/why_high_overall_damage_is_bad_for_the_game/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a3pp81/a_rioters_personal_stance_on_the_state_of_marksmen/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/acrwde/how_are_the_new_galio_changes_acceptable/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/act2pv/preseason_is_hell/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/acjylo/so_what_exactly_did_the_dark_harvest_change/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/acgtfb/after_9_years_isnt_it_time_to_tweak_the_ranked/

#SO MUCH RIOT ASS KISSING. LOOK AT THOSE RIOT WHITE KNIGHTS NOT CRITICIZING THE GAME. THEY ONLY POST ABOUT E-ZPORT AND STREAMERS AND SKINS LOOOL. WE ARE BIG BRAIN BOARDS AND WE ARE BETTER THAN THEM.

fucking lol

Lhuhz2 votes

Lol a reddit white knight, go away with your facts

Abibyama II1 votes

no u >:[

sobi9994 votes

Clever, just find and paste links where riot is being criticized. A brilliant way to show that the majority of reddit are against riot and prove the OP wrong.

Lhuhz1 votes

Nah, it's just about Reddit sometimes being crític to Riot and sometimes don't which is seen by the Boards as "If you critic Lol on Reddit your threads are removed lul"

Abibyama II1 votes

Yes a brilliant way to prove something that is bullshit

Tedo581 votes

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Riot refuses to listen, sorry mate. Maybe post it on reddit they might care a bit then.

They still don't care the response is that reddit boards etc represents a minority of the player base and such feedback can never be taken seriosly.

Hügö2 votes

Thats why I am there since a few days and as long as you say something bad there people come with the downvote brigade.

OtterlyLost15 votes

Admittedly, my own enjoyment of the game has been deteriorating over the past patches. It started in 8.11, got better for a short while, but it has gotten steadily worse. Everytime I try to boot into a SR game, its a miserable experience. I'm hopeful for things to get better in season 9 but, like you, its not a high hope.

Congrats on making Gold. Its a goal I felt I was well on the way to this season but have since given up on.

Ηuawei3 votes

{quoted}

Admittedly, my own enjoyment of the game has been deteriorating over the past patches. It started in 8.11, got better for a short while, but it has gotten steadily worse. Everytime I try to boot into a SR game, its a miserable experience. I'm hopeful for things to get better in season 9 but, like you, its not a high hope.

Congrats on making Gold. Its a goal I felt I was well on the way to this season but have since given up on.

You're hoping for things to get "better" in Season 9 when Riot is just streamlining season 8 meta. Yeah... good luck. There's no big balance updates coming our way. It's gonna be Season 8 all over

the shy top8 votes

Season 8 set a precedent for every season going forward. None of the problems from the last season will be addressed. They will be built upon until everyone finally leaves. Then riot will wake up, pull their fingers out their asses but realise how many players still play.

Or maybe they aren't focusing on league anymore because they're creating a new game so they give zero fucks about this one anymore. They entice us to buy a season pass to unlock a rare skin and all that money will go to the new game. Just a theory.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Rαy8 votes

Same here.

Before everyone started oneshotting each other in season 8, League used to be my favorite game by far.

For five years straight I could hit Summoner's Rift even solo and have a lot of fun. The only way to remotely enjoy it nowadays is as a premade team of 5 and even then it's just a snowballing clown fiesta.

I loved the pace of the game before Runes Reforged - now it's just fucking Call of Duty.

ChaddyFantome2 votes

At least in CoD, u can actually jump right in to the fun and keep jumping in after every death. League is a strategy game devoid of strategy.

Daddy Ants7 votes

1,530,860 points on Tristana.

And I thought my 1,123,728 on Vayne was a lot.

Hot damn.

Lhuhz2 votes

Holy fuck, and I dont even reach 300k with MF

I PT I2 votes

Then there's this one Ashe main who has 9.5 mil points on her.

Lhuhz1 votes

Hey Ashe is my third most played champ, I have her around 140.000

You mean you have 95.000 right ?

I PT I1 votes

No I mean there's this player from Turkey who has 9.5 million mastery points on her. His name is mihabe iirc.

Lhuhz1 votes

Holy

Daddy Ants1 votes

{quoted}

Then there's this one Ashe main who has 9.5 mil points on her.

I think I know who you're referring to.

https://www.masterypoints.com/highscores/champion/ashe

Mihabe on TR.

Yordle Xayah3 votes

{quoted}

1,530,860 points on Tristana.

And I thought my 1,123,728 on Vayne was a lot.

Hot damn.

1.1M is still a lot! [sg-ahri-2]

Daddy Ants1 votes

{quoted}

1.1M is still a lot! [sg-ahri-2]

[vayne-pose]

Ηuawei5 votes

League of Fortnite

Terozu1 votes

so.... what im readingis that the team out strategized you, and won a team fight, so it feels shitty they were rewarded for it?

Krytoric4 votes

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so.... what im readingis that the team out strategized you, and won a team fight, so it feels shitty they were rewarded for it?

No it feels shitty that the game is essentially over after 1 team misplay. That's not how league is meant to be played, but that's how it is and it feels like shit. I've had games where i take the tier 1, tier 2, tier 3 and inhib at like 14 mins in one push and it genuinely isn't fun at all. It feels like shit to win off of one fight and to lose off of one fight. If your bot lane gets killed and they lose 3 towers and an inhib for it, it wasn't "out strategized" it's that the game has too much damage and the towers are too weak so you lose off of one minor fault.

Terozu1 votes

It was 21 minutes in, that's mid game, champs are at the point where towers are weak. Is a half full build team who also managed to get Herald just not supposed to be able to capitalize on it?

It wasnt just one misplay, it was 3, the support and top were on the other side of the fucking map, while the fact the enemy had herald clearly indicates they had vision dominance, so the allied team knowing this, decided to try to 3 person the drag while the enemy was missing. Then they lost the teamfight as is to be expected.

They didnt just minor fuck up.

They exposed themself to a 3v4 fight against the enemy team who already had an advantage on them.

Tomoe Gozen2 votes

I think that there's a clear disconnect with the players who don't really know how to strategize, they just expect that they can screw up in a crucial moment and think they should still get plenty of chances to make it right again.

There's a clear reward when winning fights: your team or you get stronger with more gold and time to do what you intend to do, which translates to more downtime for your enemy. What would be the point of early fights if no amount of screwups mattered and the team that gets these kills isn't properly rewarded? This only sets a bad example of making fights feel pretty pointless when you should instead be focused on farming for a lot of minutes first.

Then this further translates into champions having their first fights in mid-game, where the effect of first deaths can translate into multiple objectives lost, which can make it feel like one fight costs you half of your base or giving the enemy a big advantage you can't come from easily. This doesn't happen in the early game now - especially when turret plating is still up.

SirHydro1 votes

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so.... what im readingis that the team out strategized you, and won a team fight, so it feels shitty they were rewarded for it?

You miss out on alot of jokes don't you? Go right over your head....... miss out alot in life too I bet.

Terozu1 votes

This post isn't a joke.

This is a gameplay post.

floo1 votes

Pretty much the only way I still enjoy League is with friends. To play alone is just such a burden.

ChaddyFantome2 votes

{quoted}

Pretty much the only way I still enjoy League is with friends. To play alone is just such a burden.

only way i enjoy this game is ARAM and Nexus Blitz, tho the latter is starting to lose its favor since it has such a limited amount of events.

floo1 votes

Even NB lost me since a few days. People always pick what's strongest if not banned (Tahm in urf, Poppy, Kog, Pyke etc.)

Tomoe Gozen1 votes

Mate, there's already crit item pass in the work for the pre-season 9. Riot talked about it, they've shared their thoughts with us regarding the items as well.

Yordle Xayah4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bccOpE24,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-01-05T14:18:20.492+0000)

Mate, there's already crit item pass in the work for the pre-season 9. Riot talked about it, they've shared their thoughts with us regarding the items as well.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/015/oreally.jpg

You know what's gonna happen? They'll make Crit Items powerful at 20 mins so they're good as early as everything else in the game. Which is exactly the reason why they changed IE in the first place. It was too good too early.

The only way they know how to "help" a class is to make sure they have a one (or at most two) item super power spike. They're falling into a trap they've set for themselves with this game pace. They don't care about late game characters or their archetype really in League of Legends. It's all about making sure everyone is as strong as early as possible.

Get your first item, now go fight so the game can end before 25 - 30 mins.

As I stated in my original post: I've been an advocate for months for things around Crit ADC to be nerfed across the board instead of us doing Crit items being strong at 15 mins all over again. Instead we're going back to Trist, Xayah, Cait, etc. being super strong through Crit in the early game. Last time it wasn't very fun/balanced for everyone else not playing those characters.

We've been there before and we're going right back in.

Tomoe Gozen1 votes

We've been there before and we're going right back in.

You don't know that and if you're choosing to be a pessimist, that's your right. But then i'm not sure what you're actually expecting because you came here to rant instead of discuss. I'd rather people not be here making threads for the upvotes. That defeats the purpose of a forum.

Yordle Xayah6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bccOpE24,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2019-01-06T01:50:08.604+0000)

You don't know that and if you're choosing to be a pessimist, that's your right. But then i'm not sure what you're actually expecting because you came here to rant instead of discuss. I'd rather people not be here making threads for the upvotes. That defeats the purpose of a forum.

I don't know that? They're making Crit Items feel better earlier. That's EXACTLY why IE was nerfed in the first place. Covering your ears and pretending reality isn't there doesn't make it less real.

Critical Strike is inherently an amazing late game damage source. That's the nature of the stat. Crit right now is good if you reach 35 - 40 mins and 3 or 4 items, except games rarely go that late. The only way to change this within the current game flow, is to make the stats kick in earlier... which is exactly why IE was nerfed in the first place, and yet we're going back into that concept.

I'll lay it down for you one more time:

  • Crit is inherently great in Late Game, even right now.
  • Games aren't reaching late game because of game pace.
  • To make it feel better in this game pace, you need to have those Late Game stats kick in earlier.
  • Then Crit can compete with Duskblade, Ludden, Trinity Force, etc. in terms of damage.
  • This was the reason IE was nerfed/reworked in the first place.
  • Crit shouldn't be made stronger. Stuff around it should be nerfed, slowing down game pace and having Late Game be a frequent thing.
  • They won't do that. They've stated many times they want (for some reason) to make games faster.

I'm not being pessimistic. These are facts anyone can double check. And now for the big one:

https://youtu.be/KV0O1Be8b6Q?t=206

"We've also buffed Crit items like Brawler's Gloves and Stormrazor. And in 8.15 we're doing more work TO SHIFT THEIR POWER UP FROM LATE GAME TO EARLY AND MID GAME"

You think I make stuff up or that I built my post based only on personal opinions?? No, I'm just stating known facts. If you can't accept facts, here's my answer:

https://media.tenor.com/images/49fac996058270f42a5a77b9c7cff960/tenor.gif

Now, If you think posting bad experiences in one of your favorite games "defeats the purpose of a forum" then you probably shouldn't be here. Also, go check my topics history. I don't make topics to "earn up votes" or anything as trivial as that. I'll always make honest topics, using facts to back my points and then complementing with personal takes, but I'm always honest and I never spam a repeated topic for the sake of up votes. I wrote this specific post pointing out that I'm not going for a meme. If they surprise me and turns out they were thinking about slowing the game down and not make Crit strong early again, then I'll be happy to be wrong with my assessment of the situation. However, as of today, reality is that game balance has tamed my addiction to the game. It's not a meme, it's what really happened. And sure, I'm being more productive in my life now, but that's besides the point. Seeing a game I love so much become this arms race of heavy early damage and no space for late game strategies just makes me sad. I'm sorry that you can't understand that.

If you want respect you first have to give it yourself. Assuming things about the motivations for someone to post a rant is not how you do that. You can either apologize for that assumption or I'm done with this conversation. Have a nice day.

Tomoe Gozen1 votes

If you want respect you first have to give it yourself. Assuming things about the motivations for someone to post a rant is not how you do that. You can either apologize for that assumption or I'm done with this conversation.

Rants are not necessary to any argument whatsoever. Rants are not "posting from your own personal experience". A rant is when you go off to make an argument from an emotional standpoint or you being annoyed a specific change was made that you don't agree wit, for no particular reason other than you think it's bad and therefore - it must be.

I have most certainly been respectful to you and me making assumptions on why you're ranting certainly doesn't offend you in any shape or form. I have no reason to apologize nor do you have a reason to ask for one in the first place.

You're basing your whole argument on a video Riot posted in August. Unless you think i'm a player who hasn't played League in a quite a while, i'm well aware that we're in a specific meta and i know in what state the Marksmen are in. I don't mind discussing it if that was your point but it doesn't seem to me like you've moved on from those changes.

So is your point meant to be a recap of the meta or did you miss a thread where Riot outlined possible directions for specific crit items and maybe certain Marksmen changes, and as well as possible a new item or two? Why don't we discuss the future instead of dwelling on the past?

Did you watch Beyond the Rift with qtpie where Rioters talked about the state of Marksmen and had charts of their scaling to backup their claims? Because it certainly doesn't look like to me you have the most recent information, you're not talking like you know what Riot's planning for the S9.

I also don't care about your posting history so far. I don't know you and i, as much as anyone, only care about the first impressions. Your first impression to me hasn't made an impact and that's something you have to consider instead of relying on your past threads being good or not.

Tundra Hunter1 votes

To me it's more rework. When you're an OTP, and you love a champion, reworks hurt, even if the rework is successful. The game isn't the same anymore after it and you lose the passion.

For me it was Warwick. New Warwick is great. But I loved playing pre rework ww. I've played new ww tons, but... it's not the same anymore =(

Thresh Gosu2 votes

that me with galio too I loved the old warwick and galio so much and now there just gone forever. same with old akali as well

Oleandervine1 votes

While I understand your sentiment, this is the sentiment of the type of person who believes that the NES is the only worthwhile game system, or who believes that VHS is the pinnacle of home video viewing and that everything else afterwards ruins the experience.

Those ideas are severely outdated.

Champions are much like this. Their original iterations in the game were built around a certain standard. Let's call that standard Blue. Everyone who was an original 40 champion was built under the Blue standard, in shades like Teal, Navy, Baby, and so forth. However, as the game evolved and people took it different directions and developers innovated certain aspects and designs, other colors got mixed in. The Blue suddenly became Green, and Purple, and eventually the Yellow and Red standards emerged when the Blue was finally discarded from the Green and Purple. Those two standards now have merged to become the Orange standard, and so in this day and age of the game, Blue standard designs and characters cannot be viable when compared to characters of the Orange standard. Blue is now obsolete, and if their designs are not refitted into the Orange standard, there is no way those characters can feasibly operate in the modern game without getting utterly destroyed and overpowered. This is why reworks are necessary, and why it's pointless to get zealously attached to old, aging kit designs to the point where you can't play the game when they finally get replaced. It's like getting overly attached to rusty axel on your car - it's going to have to be replaced eventually, so you're investing your devotion into something with a more than limited life span.

Tundra Hunter2 votes

I agree with you, lol^^ I just can't help it =) I can't wait for Shaco rework though................ (I hate playing against his outdated kit)

Darth StepVader1 votes

My fun fully vanished back in 6.1. That's when it really started going downhill with pacing.

The Patriachy1 votes

Riot either needs to give adcs a really strong late game or just give us a 4 surrender vote at 10 minutes. Tired of playing out games on either the winning or losing side where the losing side has no ability to comeback unless they have kassadin.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

I sympathize so much with you TC. Look what I drew with all the freetime i have from not playing LoL.

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/intermediary/f/1ce5e7af-e2cd-4dd7-aa17-ae992a6be130/dcw8xy8-c83897b8-1332-43f2-8b27-f5f5d54447ab.png/v1/fill/w_900,h_888,q_70,strp/best_doggo_isabelle__by_chaddyfantome_dcw8xy8-pre.jpg

It's actually insane.

I was so amped to go for Plat last 2 season, but i had 0 motivation to do so as a result of the state of the game.

sobi9991 votes

Marry me [slayer-jinx-catface]

hotarse1 votes

I predict in 2019 riot game will fully cure your league of shitends addiction.

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