When The Shot Caller Has Absolute Power

meicheng·Jul 26, 2015·2 votes·1,317 views

What do you think about shotcallers who have absolute power?

Sometimes I make a suggestion to my team, and a couple teammates shut me down automatically, saying that it's not what the shotcaller said. What if I think the shotcaller is wrong sometimes and I want to speak up? Can't my team give me 3 seconds to explain? I know sometimes we don't have that much time, but, in a lot of cases, there was plenty of time to just explain why we were doing something/explain my thought.

Is it best just to do everything the shotcaller says, even when some of the calls are bad? The shotcaller is consistently good, actually, but I hate being shut down like that.

EDIT: Maybe I shouldn't have written "boyfriend" in there. X) There are a couple other guys who do that too. And thank you for your responses!

18 Comments

KrigjerJul 26, 20155 votes

I'm so sick of the 10/0 teammate calling for Baron when all five of the enemy team are alive, and we get aced in the pit.

Damn right I'm going to speak up if I disagree.

C0ME ON AND SLAMJul 26, 20152 votes

Same with drag. Gank a lane first or SOMETHING to give you the advantage in the pit. Just because you decided want it, doesn't mean we should do it.

Deep Terror NamiJul 26, 20154 votes

I've heard it said that "everyone following a bad call is better than only a few people following calls or nobody at all".

TheThundersRoarJul 26, 20153 votes

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meichengJul 26, 20151 votes

I have the same experience too, but let's say we're walking down lane and have some time to talk about whether to get turret or dragon - do you think you should ignore the person suggestion something?

3tysonJul 26, 20151 votes

As a shotcaller your leading the team so for example forcing people bot lane so you can barron sure theres allot of times you can talk this trough but your shotcaller might be thinking 3 staps ahead if your also argueing your own team those 3 staps will obly be 1,5

ofcourse both ways work i think tsm has 1 absolute power shotcaller and i think uol are just 5 boys shouting random shit and what ever makes most sence to most people becomes the decission

it depends on your team and how flexible your shot caller is what is right for you guys

KotexJul 26, 20151 votes

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From my experience in the game, most of the time, an entire team doing the "wrong thing" is better than half the team doing the "right thing".

If taking a turret>Dragon in a hypothetical situation, it's still better to have 5 people take Dragon anyway than 2 getting slaughtered trying to take the turret and the rest getting killed off at Dragon. And losing it anyway. And a tower and the entire jungle in the process.

That being said, unless your shotcaller is Challenger, he's bound to make stupid decisions, so yeah.

Im not challenger, but can say i make decent calls when people will listen to them but people think its a lost concept to have a brain AND be a league player at the same time. The thing is most players don't want to acknowledge someone having authority over their game even if its for the better or for a good cause. A good call that benefits everyone. And i personally don't mind someone else contesting my call with one of theirs, all i ever want is to just have my team on the same page. People would rather run around like chickens with their heads cut off death matching and just not having a clue about what they should be doing than to listen to the person with a plan trying to organize plays. Then you have one guy pinging an objective and nobody else is committing to it "I think we should go over there, no we should go up there" and all that does is waste time getting nothing at all.

I've lost count of how many games i've lost because someone that doesn't actually know what to do, but refuses to listen to anyone that does for a superfluous reason such as an inferior KDA or rank. And thats just such an erroneous assumption. Having a shotty KDA for a game, or being a low rank doesn't equal you not having a brain, and being able to assess things with it because as team game your KDA and rank within it could in and of itself could very well be due to people refusing to listen to good calls that you've attempted to make for a positive outcome.

How many times have you been in a position to win the game but nobody elses realizes or cares? Everyones dead for 50 seconds, all of us are up, and our waves are pushed. The right call to make would be to just push and end, but another guy goes HEY lets get baron and dragon and wait for them to capitalize on a mistake we make next fight and beat us instead. You don't need to kill a baron every game to simply win it and more often than not people call baron at times they don't need it at all.

Such a pretentious reason to disregard someone's ability to make smart calls as rank or KDA.

WukongMainJul 26, 20153 votes

Ouch, I feel you, it sucks being shut down like that. even if in the end your call wasn't what the team did, they should have at least heard you out (sense you said you clearly had the time) maybe even quickly explain to you why the call you made wasn't as good as the shot callers call.

Just hearing the person out lets them know that their opinions matter. Which may make the person play better. cause being shut down right away would totally cause the person to play just a little bit worse. Now if it was a split-second call where every second counted, i completely understand being shut down right away. A team that acts together is stronger than one that stands divided, Even if doing the wrong call, which i guess why shot callers exist when they make a call everyone knows to go to that instead of doing their own thing. i don't see why the shot-caller couldn't hear your suggestion out really quick.

Now after the game, i would discuss with the shot-caller why the shots they made were better than the one you suggested. maybe after the convo, the shot-caller may realize they were wrong, and improve. and if the shot-caller was right, well now you know why it was the proper call and wont suggest the wrong call next time :)

In the end, i think everyone should hear everyone out and discuss whats the best thing to do, esp if y'all are just walking down the lane anyway lol

and wow i type too much 0_o lol.

Reynard the ƒoxJul 26, 20153 votes

The real problem here is that your BOYFRIEND is the one shutting you down.

NemeBroJul 26, 20153 votes

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What do you think about shotcallers who have absolute power?

Sometimes I make a suggestion to my team, and my boyfriend shuts me down automatically, saying that it's not what the shotcaller said. What if I think the shotcaller is wrong sometimes and I want to speak up? Can't my team give me 3 seconds to explain? I know sometimes we don't have that much time, but, in a lot of cases, there was plenty of time to just explain why we were doing something/explain my thought.

Is it best just to do everything the shotcaller says, even when some of the calls are bad? The shotcaller is consistently good, actually, but I hate being shut down like that.

Also, you might want to rethink your love life. Your boyfriend sounds like a dickhead.

C0ME ON AND SLAMJul 26, 20151 votes

Well at least you didn't jump to conclusions or anything

Baby GhoulJul 26, 20153 votes

No. Trust your instincts please.

That kind of mindless behavior gets your team aced. It's way better if 2 or 3 of you feed instead of the whole team. I'm so tired of these so called "shot callers" worshiping baron and dragon, especially if the enemy team is out and about. Like no, I don't want to share a grave on the rift with you. If you think an objective is going to get your team killed, raise that issue with your team please. I've been strong armed so many times, only to end up dying or losing my lead because someone is going to chew me out if I don't follow their orders.

You should always hear your teammates out, but never mindlessly follow them because they have a good KDA. That's how people throw games.

C0ME ON AND SLAMJul 26, 20151 votes

But what if someone say's go in and only 3 people do it? Even if it would have been a great engage you have to have snowballed the game for a straight up 3v5 to go well. It's not always black and white but you should trust your team. Shotcaller has a job and if people won't listen, why bother having a shotcaller?

Baby GhoulJul 26, 20151 votes

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But what if someone say's go in and only 3 people do it? Even if it would have been a great engage you have to have snowballed the game for a straight up 3v5 to go well. It's not always black and white but you should trust your team. Shotcaller has a job and if people won't listen, why bother having a shotcaller?

You need to make it clear that you do not think that is a good idea for your reasons, and tell them you are not going to whatever they are suggesting. If they still want to go in, then that's their choice. I do not trust my teammates in solo queue until they show me they can be trusted, and going for dragon or baron when the enemy team is around is a bad call. Forcing team fights when someone on the enemy team is particularly fed is a bad call. I don't think there should really be a shot caller if we're being honest.

Teamwork is amazing, but dying together isn't. You need to decide as a team what is best, and listen to everyone and their reasoning. 9 times out of 10 when people say group mid, I don't disagree. However if I see someone who suffered severely during the laning phase, then I'm going to ask the person telling us that to hold up. You're going to lose the team fight if the enemy has more kills, yet I see so many of these shot callers so eager to fight because they did really well. That does not show good judgement or consideration for your teammates.

C0ME ON AND SLAMJul 26, 20152 votes

"The shotcaller is consistently good, actually, but I hate being shut down like that"

If you're playing to win you should realize most people get caught up in the moment and might not be being as critical of you as it might seem. Maybe tell him outside of the game that him being abrasive hurts your feelings, but if you're just being butthurt over him telling you you're wrong then you should probably just chill.

If you can't explain why the play is bad in a few short seconds then it's probably for the best you listen to whoever you designate as the shotcaller. You could always try to start paying as much attention you can to all lanes while you're playing to become a better shotcaller than you have now. WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WHEN YOU HAVE THE TALKING PILLOW?!

NemeBroJul 26, 20151 votes

What the fuck is a shotcaller? Is that in team ranked? I only play Yolo Q.

LightningfstJul 26, 20151 votes

I think it depends on the dynamic of the team. If the shotcaller establishes a protocol where he/she is the only voice, well then that is what goes. If however, other people are talking and being heard but your boyfriend shuts you down, well then as others have said there needs to be a reality check here and if he does this in league, he will likely do this in regular life which is to say not give you the respect of an equal partner. It may be a stretch to say that, but that is my observation. League can bring the worst out in people.

That being said, I am the shotcaller for my 5s team (currently P3) and sometimes I make a call that others disagree with. I'll listen to them and consider their feedback because I am the type that loves data and can amend a decision when needed. However if I make an absolute call (so and so back off right now, or head to dragon right now), then I expect them to follow it. If they don't, we can't have a real team mechanic and take objectives clearly.

So all that to say if the team dynamic allows for feedback in a game, there is no reason your boyfriend should shut you down like that and I would confront him about it. If he acts like a douche, then drop him like he's got rabies because in reality, he just might.

Wiggle Dat ButtJul 26, 20151 votes

Your boyfriend sounds like a bronzie trying to impress either a friend or a stranger over the internet. If the shotcaller is making a dumb decision and you aren't pro, tell him he's an idiot and to "gitGudNoob" and that inhibitor is more important than that dragon when their entire team is down or that we can do baron AFTER we kill someone.