Cassiopeia mains: "but muh lamia"

Colonel J·Oct 29, 2014·7 votes·3,271 views

Shaddap, nerds.

Cass is fine. Quit yer whining.

51 Comments

Sir ArmaMalumOct 29, 201414 votes

This, class, is another classic use of an inflammatory title and subject to try to incite an unproductive discussion. Move along.

Colonel JOct 29, 20145 votes

This, class, is another classic use of an inflammatory title and subject to try to incite an unproductive discussion. Move along.

Reported.

DirewolfiezOct 29, 20144 votes

lol For what? Replying to your stupid bait thread?

KzooCrasherOct 29, 20144 votes

to be fair hes right there has been so much needless qq when shes already getting buffed idk why they keep throwing more fire on it when its already happening

Colonel JOct 29, 20142 votes

to be fair hes right there has been so much needless qq when shes already getting buffed idk why they keep throwing more fire on it when its already happening

There's at least 5 Cass threads always up at a time. I don't get why the pesky Cass mains can't keep it one thread. I main Urgot, but I hardly complain at all.

KzooCrasherOct 29, 20142 votes

There isn't even a reason for 1 thread they are already buffing her just wait

OrbvOct 30, 20145 votes

You have no proof that they are doing anything for Cass. They haven't posted ideas of what they want to do, nothing is being tested in PBE, they aren't even posting questions about anything in a forum, not even in the PBE forum for questions of considerable changes. They did that for Skarner for an entire month to redo his rework. It makes no sense that they wouldn't do it again.

KzooCrasherOct 30, 20141 votes

Yes i do have proof they already posted on the subject that they are buffing her and changing her around a bit.... maybe use the search function before sounding all high and mighty lol

OrbvOct 31, 20144 votes

Maybe use the search function and READ the posts that were made. If you consider "We want to go in the direction of..." a buff or change, then Taric has had buffs coming for YEARS. There isn't a single ACTUAL change that they've made, just a lot of hypotheticals.

High and Mighty lmao, irony. "There isn't even a reason for 1 thread...".

KzooCrasherOct 31, 20141 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/nEOZUEBm-another-pbe-update-and-guess-how-many-cass-changes-there-are?comment=000c000500000000000000010000

Since you can't seem to search for it yourself.... There still isn't a reason for a single thread.... they are making changes all the complaining about something they are already doing is kinda dumb don't you think. Its like "Hey we are riot we know Cassio isn't perfect so we are making changes please be patient"

Then there are you guys "What your making changes! Not good enough the changes need to be in now or revert her!

"Hey were Riot we aren't going to revert her because her previous itteration was impossible to balance and making her viable would make her toxic to the game"

Then you guys again "Toxic to the game? She needs BUFFFFFSSSS!!!!! We don't care that you are making changes for the better we hate change we need moar threads to complain"

pretty much the summary

TLDR Cassio is getting worked on all the QQ all day only slows the actual changes because your making the people who should be working on it wasting their time talking to you instead of actually fixing the champion which is what you want. Stop being counter productive to your own cause....

Having smote you Orbv I do feel kind of high and mighty....

OrbvNov 3, 20144 votes

LMFAO, LMAO

Wow you are literally blinded by the shiny lights. That is the exact post I was referencing in that 'THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING YET".

You keep saying to be patient, but what is the reason to be patient? They put NOTHING to be tested. NOTHING. Do you even have a PBE account? Do you even go to the PBE boards and see that they have not put a single number for testing? Morello isn't the one working on the changes, but he keeps responding because he is the best Public Relations person who comes onto the boards. Please go to the skarner thread:

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3714778&highlight=skarner

I posted it because you have no idea what "Changes" look like. lol. Please go through these pages and see the Numerical changes, the actual reasons for why these would not work, AND THEN you'll see that they tested EVERY SINGLE change on the PBE for factual evidence.

You think 75 players complaining about Cassiopeia in a forum are causing a delay? You must be so young it's hilarious.

KzooCrasherNov 3, 20141 votes

This is why no one takes this cassio qq seriously.

Riot- We are working on your concerns please be patient

Cassio mains- NO!!!! We want you to stop working on her to come post on these 200 threads we made (making it take even longer for her to get fixed) just so we can hear you say the same thing that you are working on it!!!!!

#logic

OrbvNov 3, 20142 votes

Well this will be my last post because it appears that you cannot read nor reason. It's something they will cover in your classes at some point.

Riot made changes, as you can see in Stashu's new thread. And nothing that was addressed is fixed. He wants to take away mana sustain on E, reduce methods of gaining stacks (no longer on poisoned minions or fangs on champions), and has addressed how he likes how long it takes Cass to get to her late game. He said that he is "Fine" with it and that it doesn't need any more changes in that area.

This has covered literally nothing that was brought up in nearly every thread and has caused more concern about how bad her laning is. Oh but don't worry, there is this one player who thinks you're doing a great job! Obviously he has no reading comprehension. But neither does Stashu, so it makes sense.

I'm glad my concerns were addressed. 10q 10q

Goodnight

BouncingPecsNov 3, 20143 votes

Wow...that is so embarrassing for you.

Robins TightsNov 3, 20142 votes

If you actually read the comments from Stashu's post, linked in the first comments, he actually points out that they didn't change Cass because she was impossible to balance without making toxic...

He says that they felt that she could have a more defined role as a late game carry. They even admitted, both Morello and Stashu, that they were willing to sacrifice her AoE damage to better distinguish her carry potential.

She was an immobile poking champion who hasn't seen competitive play since season 2. It is now going to become season 5 and she is still immobile and can't do well until +35min when 65% of Worlds games ended before that time. They have effectively made her destined to never be seen in World's now. It is not interesting to watch a champ stack up. There's a reason Veigar isn't seen competitively despite much better CC and assassination potential.

Makes me want to pick up Veigar actually.

Edit: It's hard to smite someone if you're the one declaring it. Note for the future, someone else declaring it for you is much more potent.

KzooCrasherNov 3, 20141 votes

He did say she was toxic basically. He said they had to change her because they wanted to move her away from being a lane bully and they wont go back and riot thinks lane bully's are toxic look at urgot

Robins TightsNov 3, 20143 votes

I honestly believe that Stashu has no idea what Cass was good in. If you look at his match history of he past year, he has only played her about 20 times......in 2014. I don't think he has enough of an idea about her to make an informed decision.

Yes Urgot was a problem, and he hasn't been one for two years. That's what they're doing to Cass though! And that argument is very counter-productive. Xerath and Ziggs have 0 counter play. They can farm for eternity. Syndra is the WORST lane bully, and she has small mana costs, the lowest CDs on an AoE nuke of any champion, and has seen international play with success to prove how great she is. Idk why they are targeting a champion who can't hold a flame to Syndra. And ironically this new passive is EXACTLY something that would fit Syndra's kit.

KzooCrasherNov 3, 20141 votes

Ok a couple things first Riot has a rework TEAM its not Stashu and a pencil.... And as far as i know they also have INTERNAL testing which would mean she got played a lot by multiple people on the rework TEAM.

Urgot was a problem and they nerfed him into near obscurity. What they are doing is 100% different instead of nerfing her into near obscurity they reworked her. Because they changed her play style a bit from lane bully to late game carry they can tweak her numbers to make her better which they are doing.

Ziggs/Xerath can farm forever but they have counter play. Yes they can farm really well but assasins can explode them the second they move out from under their turret. The problem with a strong Cassio pre-rework and a strong urgot now is that they really don't have counter play. If Urgot worked the way he use to he could stop any champion from getting in range to cs even someone like Ziggs because of the range of his E+Q combo and the damage it use to deal.

OrbvNov 3, 20141 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/zuL472BJ-cassiopeia-plans

This really should be the stake into the heart. Have you read the changes they FINALLY came up with?

This sounds absolutely horrible and ignores 90% of what her fanbase has been asking for.

It is okay to sulk in being wrong.

#Smote

KzooCrasherNov 3, 20141 votes

Sorry but it doesn't ignore what they want except for the crazies that want he toxic again and reverted

Resmote

OrbvNov 3, 20141 votes

You can't read. She wasn't changed because of toxicity. She was changed to match her new Lore and fill a criteria of a hyper carry that Riot felt needed to exist.

Can you explain what was toxic about her kit? And can you tell me a single match in any country she won qualifier tournament for someone?

You don't even know what toxic means in relation to the game.

And the term would be Re-smote. The grammar is miraculous

KzooCrasherNov 3, 20141 votes

I just said it in the post you responded too. They specifically said they weren't reverting it and that the lane bully aspect of her which was her niche is NEVER coming back (why might you ask) because riot thinks lane bullys with no counter play are toxic.....

Colonel JNov 4, 20141 votes

TLDR Cassio is getting worked on all the QQ all day only slows the actual changes because your making the people who should be working on it wasting their time talking to you instead of actually fixing the champion which is what you want. Stop being counter productive to your own cause....

I agree. Fuk Cass mains.

The Queen ViperOct 29, 20144 votes

Cool story bro

Colonel JOct 29, 20143 votes

Cool story bro

Reported.

The Queen ViperOct 29, 20144 votes

You told your mom already?

This OriannaOct 30, 20142 votes

You told your mom already?

I'm not following...

The Queen ViperOct 30, 20145 votes

Well you told me that I'm "reported"... so naturally I though that you "reported" me to your mom for some reason. Isn't that what momma's boys are supposed to do?

Just MidOct 29, 20144 votes

rofl

ILoveTiramisuOct 29, 20144 votes

Agree with you. I test her in 10 match and I found new cassio strong(after I learn how to play her). She need a little little early buff.

OrbvOct 30, 20142 votes

If you had to learn how to play the new Cass, then you didn't know how to play her before. So you wouldn't really know which one was better.

ILoveTiramisuOct 30, 20141 votes

If you had to learn how to play the new Cass, then you didn't know how to play her before. So you wouldn't really know which one was better.

Every old main cassiopeia is talking about her laning phase, she is too weak they said and sucks in late game.

First, Cassiopeia was reworked her. After rework, AP because best stat for her. She snowball by item and passive.
Old main cassio still play her like old cassio, building health, mana and AP. You can see it in best ap cassiopeia player like Caedíte eos and king cobra's last match ups. This is the point, she seems bad because every player play her weak early game (because low damage poke because of ratio but base damage is good), and then they build low Ap item and tankiness item (Its like play yasuo build 1 item crit chance), they don't abuse her power.

OrbvOct 31, 20142 votes

Caedite Eoe and King Cobra have ALWAYS played Cassiopeia that way. You think that it's them abusing her new power, but they haven't changed how they play her at all for years.

For every other person who played her in any other way, they were ripped off. There is no other way to play her now. Riot has made her a 1 dimensional champion who a lot of people are bored with. She USED to be able to build Liandry's and Rylai's and STILL carry a game. Her poke is so bad now with her bad ratios and what's left of her Miasma that you can't play her like that anymore unless you want to be the reason your team no longer has any burst potential.

ILoveTiramisuNov 1, 20141 votes

Caedite Eoe and King Cobra have ALWAYS played Cassiopeia that way. You think that it's them abusing her new power, but they haven't changed how they play her at all for years.

For every other person who played her in any other way, they were ripped off. There is no other way to play her now. Riot has made her a 1 dimensional champion who a lot of people are bored with. She USED to be able to build Liandry's and Rylai's and STILL carry a game. Her poke is so bad now with her bad ratios and what's left of her Miasma that you can't play her like that anymore unless you want to be the reason your team no longer has any burst potential.

Because they build her badly, they don't abuse her late game potential. She is broken late game.

JustMyBassCannonOct 29, 20144 votes

If Cass was absolutely fine, why would there be such a massive backlash from everyone who likes Cassiopeia?

This OriannaOct 29, 20143 votes

If Cass was absolutely fine, why would there be such a massive backlash from everyone who likes Cassiopeia?

Because they're not good and need to adapt.

JustMyBassCannonOct 30, 20142 votes

While that's normally a valid argument, they've had more than 7 weeks to adapt to the kit. The general consensus is that changing Cassiopeia's focus from poison damage to Twin Fang was a mistake, and forcing her to farm up a stacking mechanic in order for her AP ratios to not be utter garbage is a retarded delaying mechanic.

But what do Cass mains know that you don't, right? (a shit-ton, actually)

Colonel JOct 31, 20141 votes

But what do Cass mains know that you don't, right? (a shit-ton, actually)

Cass mains are actually incredibly biased since they are...

you know...

Cass mains.

JustMyBassCannonOct 31, 20145 votes

Your argument also works against you; because you don't play Cass, you have an opinion--a bias--that is on the opposite side of the grid.

So try an argument that doesn't commit seppuku.

Colonel JOct 31, 20141 votes

Your argument also works against you; because you don't play Cass, you have an opinion--a bias--that is on the opposite side of the grid.

Only if I hated Cass would it work against me. Non-Cass mains have an objective, non-biased way to seeing Cass. Nice try tho.

JustMyBassCannonOct 31, 20144 votes

It's quite apparent that there's no love lost between you and Riot over the changes, which is still a bias. The question is whether or not your bias is actually valid.

Considering that you use no facts to back your opinion, it's pretty shitty.

You say "she's fine" and admit you don't main her. That's equivalent to saying it's easy to handle a .45 without having fired a handgun in your life.

Colonel JOct 31, 20141 votes

It's quite apparent that there's no love lost between you and Riot over the changes, which is still a bias. The question is whether or not your bias is actually valid.

Considering that you use no facts to back your opinion, it's pretty shitty.

You say "she's fine" and admit you don't main her. That's equivalent to saying it's easy to handle a .45 without having fired a handgun in your life.

One doesn't need to be a Cass main to tell if they're balanced or not.

JustMyBassCannonNov 1, 20144 votes

One doesn't need to be a Cass main to tell if they're balanced or not.

So what is your basis for this insofar baseless claim? Why do you believe Cass is balanced?

I, as a general mage main whose favorite is Brand, seriously question your opinion's validity, because you fail to provide any reason for anyone to believe what you say is more valuable than my dog's shit

Rinky DinkyOct 29, 20144 votes

Idk why it is so hard to understand that Cassiopeia was loved for her killing people with poison play style. They took 100% of that away. Buff her all you want, they took away a champ that people loved. Her new kit doesnt even make sense. "Poison the peoples so you can get da stacks, poison deals no damage btw"

Wtf

Honestly they should have made it where she had different poisons that had different effects. Would have been much better than this. Her passive could be that she gets a unique buff depending on the type of poison she has inflicted on a target. If she has all 3 of the poisons applied(Her twin fang could be an actual fang that shoots out and plants poison on struck targets), she gets all of the buffs respectively.

Boom, Cassiopeia confirmed.

PajamasaladNov 3, 20142 votes

b-but muh waifu

Robins TightsNov 18, 20142 votes

They didn't change just laning. She was a poker, one of the original poking mages. They removed that playstyle from use completely. Urgot only had his laning phase going for him before...still forgotten :'(.

Every mid laner, LCS/OGN has said that the issue with Cass is that if anything gets on her, she dies. She has the exact same weaknesses as Ziggs and Xerath with the exception that they have solid CC on less than 20 sec CDs. Cass ulting Katarina is 50/50.