@riot nasus E at level1 is beyond waste

XdeathitselfX··1 votes·797 views

Rank 1 Nasus E needs 70 mana for doing 55 damage and 11 per second total of 5 seconds which nobody will ever stay in there and take the tick damage and then it gives 15% armor pen when he can only use his Q to do damage which is beyond garbage at the start and he needs to farm with his Q making it even worse.

Orianna 17 armor at level 1 17-15% = 14.5 armor left so its 2.5 armor pen.

Leona 47 armor at level 1 47-15% = 40 armor left so its 7 armor pen.

Lets compare it with the old E 20 flat armor pen at rank 1.

Orianna 17 armor at level 1 17-20 = -3 armor left so its 20 armor pen.

Leona 47 armor at level 1 47-20 = 27 armor left so its 20 armor pen.

Ever since you guys changed his E it made his early game so horrible to the point where using E at low levels is actually making yourself run out of mana for almost nothing in exchange i have been actively making posts about this and i feel like i am being ignored it would be nice if i can get a response.

My suggestions are that you should increase it from 15/20/25/30/35% to 30/35/40/45/50% armor pen instead.

This won't make nasus overpowered at all because even tho if he can armor shred tanks he has no tools to deal with health because nasus cant build blade of the ruined king or lord doms the only thing he can rely on that job is his ultimate which sadly is an ability power damage which doesn't even work with his E armor pen, not the mention nasus can easily get kited so badly ever since you guys removed stormraider's surge. As a nasus one trick who has reached diamond 2 83 lp at season 7 that has more than 1000 games of nasus i feel so frustrated that you didn't even consider the effects of the changes you guys did to his early game at patch 7.15.

Nasus isn't an adc carry or any carry champ that has range or any gapcloser so giving these buffs wont make him overpowered because unlike them he needs to build resistance to survive being kited and reaching his targets and not to mentions even if you give these buffs to his E they can just get out of the circle and make it unless with mercs boots or QSS.

if you think this is overpowered then you are wrong because there are already examples of champions that can do this like Fiora and yasuo they both have better early game by a mile than nasus, they both have extreme mobility and gap closers which nasus doesn't have, they both outscale nasus even tho nasus has a stack mechanic which is so bad compared to the rest like veigar, they both can build lifesteal items to survive and they both do alot of bursts damage even if you are a tank regardless, fiora has true damage on top of that she uses conqueror and similar to yasuo he can easily get 100% crit with 2 items and he can get 50% armor pen after using R for 12 seconds also he uses conqueror too.

So i don't see a big deal if you buff nasus like i have suggested. and if this still doesn't convince anyone of you for love of god please just make nasus E from 15/20/25/30/35% to 35% at all ranks instead because it needs to do something, it doesn't do much damage at all it doesn't even wave clear at all so what am i wasting 70 mana for? you understand my point? give it a purpose for spending 70 mana at rank 1 for his E.

Hope i can get some up votes on this and riot anyone of you please respond to this post thank you.

21 Comments

Pika Fox1 votes

You can easily get 3 autos off in the duration at low levels. Auto q auto. The 15% ar reduction is still pretty massive. Youre drastically undervaluing the reductions bonus damage at lower levels.

XdeathitselfX1 votes

against who?

XdeathitselfX1 votes

who can nasus out trade in level 2 can you explain? since you down voted my post with no solid evidence please explain

Pika Fox1 votes

Nasus isnt meant to out trade at lower levels. But youre still undervaluing its benefits, especially since nasus is one of the most gankable lanes in the game for nasus' jungler, as he doesnt push often and w +e make over extending a major risk to the enemy, almost guaranteeing a kill.

XdeathitselfX1 votes

have you heard of something called counter ganks? you claimed that nasus can trade in the early game and now you said that he cannot? but you try to proved your point still even tho you already know that nasus isnt meant to even trade because he cannot and you talk about the jungle to justify nasus early game? this just shows me that you are legit just here to randomly downvote and ruin other peoples day

Jbels1 votes

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have you heard of something called counter ganks? you claimed that nasus can trade in the early game and now you said that he cannot? but you try to proved your point still even tho you already know that nasus isnt meant to even trade because he cannot and you talk about the jungle to justify nasus early game? this just shows me that you are legit just here to randomly downvote and ruin other peoples day

Oh my god, man, will you give this superiority tone a rest? You sound like a bad anime villain. Everyone here has provided arguments for why your logic is flawed, and all of them are strong. Your replies have been to the effect of "Well I say you're wrong, and also you're only here to downvote me"

XdeathitselfX1 votes

you talking about logic? i just showed the numbers above the post and you didnt gave me any logically prove. its like talking to a flat earth believer they say the earth is flat but you show no logical evidence

XdeathitselfX1 votes

just give me something to prove your point like a number or any stats?

Jbels1 votes

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you talking about logic? i just showed the numbers above the post and you didnt gave me any logically prove. its like talking to a flat earth believer they say the earth is flat but you show no logical evidence

because apparently literally telling you how the champion is supposed to work means nothing because you think he shouldn't work that way

XdeathitselfX1 votes

you main nasus by any chance like i do?

Jbels1 votes

Are you actually arguing that one of the most annoying splitpushers of all time should have an easier early game?

XdeathitselfX1 votes

you need to show me stats or some form of proof that nasus is one of the best splitpushers of all time i would say he was before, not mere words that means nothing.

XdeathitselfX1 votes

for example name 1 nasus 1 trick player that is constantly playing nasus in masters elo?

Jbels1 votes

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you need to show me stats or some form of proof that nasus is one of the best splitpushers of all time i would say he was before, not mere words that means nothing.

How about his hugely increasing winrate the longer the game goes on? At the longest and most drawn out games he has a winrate of 57%. Why? Because of the stupid pressure he puts on lanes from splitpushing them. With a trinity force and the ton of stacks he gets from farming, he can literally take out towers in seconds. No other splitpusher can do that without Demolish, and even with demolish, none of them can threaten a second tower after taking the first the way a nasus can.

If you let a Nasus get away with splitpushing, you WILL lose quickly. Because of that, his early game is weak. That's how balance works.

XdeathitselfX1 votes

you say as if the enemy toplaner is bronze, you are right in a way that if you let nasus get away with splitpush you will have a chance to lose but the problem is if he gets away that is which is almost rare and dont talk about game length win rate 57% there are other champs that are almost unplayable atm but has a really high win rate at late game like Azir. currently nasus has an average of 47% win rate because games end so quick so its like saying if i can reach hong kong and meet my friends but ill never reach there by walking from america anyway you get my point?

Pika Fox1 votes

To be fair, nasus has a terrible late game. Nasus is played for his mid game power, late game ADCs are strong enough to usually kill him before he can participate. His late game winrate comes from his mid game dominance and if his team can push that advantage.

XdeathitselfX1 votes

finally someone understand what he is talking about yes i completely agree.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

Thats a complete non-issue.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

Nasus E isn't a one point wonder skill and it would need to be significantly nerfed if you want it to have that starting mana cost. He is supposed to have a weak early game. You are supposed to put points into E instead of just leaving it at one point

XdeathitselfX1 votes

yes i reached diamond2 last season with nasus E max so i know enough already about him

XdeathitselfX1 votes

if i get downvotes riot wont see this post right?

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