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Ok, I'm getting sick of Xin Zhao.

Zeppelins circus··74 votes·20,890 views

Currently now, Xin Zhao has a 53.64% winrate with 12% pickrate.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/XinZhao/

Historically I had a vehement dislike about Xin Zhao and his playstyle. And this patch makes total favoritism to him while bolstering it as the ONLY way. I ban him every game now since how frustrating it is to be the receiving end of it. Xin Zhao has extremely low counterplay, especially in the early game. You can run from Graves has no cc, Lee can miss his Q. But Xin Zhao this patch with phase rush has almost an ape-like playstyle that puts feeding Tryndamere players humping towers to shame, all the while maintaining a ludicrous winrate.

Basic said strat is.

  1. ME GO JUNGLE
  2. ME GO XIN ZHAO
  3. ME GO CRAB
  4. ME MEET JUNGLE
  5. (Angry ape and chimp noises)
  6. ME WIN....GAME!

Did jungle had to degrade to this degree? He can legit eradicate any opposing jungler this patch not allowing flash, and even chasing you down if you use it.

69 Comments

IxozieI30 votes

A few seasons ago my hard-stuck gold friend one-tricked Win Nao and got to diamond. Now he's doing it again and he's going even faster this time.

He has very little mechanical skill and buys the exact same items every game. His win condition is simple: see enemy, roll face.

remakoro24 votes

Sounds like something from tele shop.
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Battalion2 votes

Nice

Zeppelins circus5 votes

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A few seasons ago my hard-stuck gold friend one-tricked Win Nao and got to diamond. Now he's doing it again and he's going even faster this time.

He has very little mechanical skill and buys the exact same items every game. His win condition is simple: see enemy, roll face.

Xin Zhao in a nutshell:

  1. Sees enemy
  2. OOOOHH OOOH AHHHH AHHHH!
  3. You kill or get killed. It is a ultimatum.

It's stupid. Even Yi is better than this.

remakoro2 votes

Well... He can go in... And thats it... So yea. You either kill or die... You can knock enemies away with your ults but most likely it wont prevent most champions from chasing you down.

JohnnyNeverSins11 votes

He is on the braindead champion that deal too much damage and are unkillable,like jax,pure cancer and the people that play them must be such fucking tryhards..

SweedishGunner7 votes

Yeah Jax is pretty broken as well but people always defend him.

TheGreatNinx3 votes

It's why I hate Tyndamere, Jax, Xin. Always. Not even people who play this champion at high elo I don't find it impressive what they are doing. Litearly as Yi you are just trying to alpha strike as much as possible, Tyndamere is just an afk split pusher or got so ahead that him a spin auto animation canceling is enough to kill you, Jax... Jax just press e and auto's faster thanks to rage blade and gunblade and delets you just as a fast as tryndmere. All of these champs are bs to face as melee.

z63XnLCMwX9 votes

Xin is ridiculous atm. One of the few jg that got a buff with the change since he can level 2 cheese instead of level 3 gank like everyone else.

Zeppelins circus7 votes

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Xin is ridiculous atm. One of the few jg that got a buff with the change since he can level 2 cheese instead of level 3 gank like everyone else.

The meta has devolved to a cheese meta instead of rewarding strategical insight. I have extreme bias since I fracking hate Xin Zhao for like 3 years. But I think at least this patch I'm justified.

He has no skill expression whatsoever. And if they pick Xin they will ALWAYS do the same and maintain that stupid winrate.

ShaolinToilet1 votes

He has plenty of skill expression with all of his abilities even though he is broken right now

Spencer4 votes

Does he?

ShaolinToilet2 votes

W flash flash ult flash e ult proc q on minions/turret he has so many combos/ ways you can outshine other xins and use your skill to outplay others

Spank the Fox8 votes

I’m sick of seeing that tanky abomination named Graves.

Can we nerf both of them if we’re keeping Scuttle?

TheCodeisCupCake2 votes

I never understood how the fuck i get tower dived by a Graves whose lvl 6 and items consist of serrated dirk, cudgel and boots. BASIC BOOTS.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

because towers are joke?

the weeaboo6 votes

Xin has had a consistently high winrate this entire season. And last season. Watch the "best junglers [insert patch] videos for the past year and Xin will be on that list. Fact of the matter is hes just a good, simple jungler that anyone can pick up and do well with. He has a pretty healthy, fast clear. He has easy ganks. There's not really a point in the game where he's useless.

I know i'm gonna get down voted but Xin isn't the problem. If anything I think it's that everyone else is weak and he just happens to be a well rounded jungler that can stay relevant no matter the meta. It's pretty hard to make a simple champ that counters ranged and duels melees well a bad jungler.

I don't even find him that oppressive. Things like Master Yi and Kai'Sa are oppressive. Xin using his E in and killing someone, then either getting shit on by CC or ulting and having to back off im okay with. Having a Master Yi run in with Guinnsoos, E, and Conquere dealing 300 true damage per auto, one shotting squishies, shredding through tanks like butter, and Qing every goddamn CC we try to land on him is oppressive. Kai'Sa blowing me up with her Q or shredding my whole team with a couple autos when she has perma stealth with her attack speed and a massive shield is oppressive. There's other champs we need to be worrying about first.

Anyway why are we only worrying about him now? He's had a 52+% winrate for months. Like what the jake is everyone getting so worked up over?

As a final note I'd like to point out the reason his winrate is high is because you don't have the "Flavor of the Month Abuse What's Strong" people feeding on him to balance out the consistent players. Since he's so easy you can do well with him even when new which is boosting his numbers. If someone like ASol has a high winrate then you know he has a problem because it takes time to actually learn and win with him and anyone that tries to abuse him for being strong is gonna feed for like 10 games.

Azadethe5 votes

I just had a game vs a Xin. Went Vi .

Spent the entire game robbing him of scuttles and using Q get get away from him instead of trying to fight.

Had a good Leblanc mid to cover my butt though and tether him every time he tried to chase.

Dominated him on farm and objectives and even 2 infernals most of the game.

Tried to steal his blue at level 12.... and actually fought him..... I got the blue, but my Q wasn't up in time to get away. He won. Got 550g Bounty.

That's why he's scary atm.... those 550g bounties that looked like bounty nerfs in 8.10 but were in fact single target BUFFS to bounties... Xin's good at singling out the person whose worth money.

Astorine4 votes

Upvoted, people need to bring this up the ranks of discussions. Win-Nou is ridiculous. Rito: lOL wE HaVE MAaADde JO0onGle ChHanngeEEs N0w Ye CAN N00Ot GoOOT gaNKKed lvl 2 @R 3! YayY. When in reality i have flashbacks of being lvl 3 camped by xin when i was mid.

BLIGHTBRINGER3 votes

Win-Nou

######LOL

+1 upvoted

Autrah Fang4 votes

{quoted}

Upvoted, people need to bring this up the ranks of discussions. Win-Nou is ridiculous.

i think you meant Win Nhao. close though :P

Smithy2Q4 votes

BE A MAN! AS MYSTERIOUS AS THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOOOOON!

Zeppelins circus3 votes

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BE A MAN! AS MYSTERIOUS AS THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOOOOON!

KIAI!!!!!!!! BANGGGGG!!!!!

That was I think the only time Xin Zhao contributed to League in a positive way by spawning a meme.

ok ill fed then4 votes

I've played vs him as ww a couple times now. Not a hard match up as long as you don't fuck up your e. Just go q-e 1st two levels. Counter ganking him is also not that difficult.

You can't straight up duel him as ww but you don't ever die to him with q heal and e fear.

MorganFreemanBot3 votes

Trundle Olaf and Graves are all champions who can pretty easily kill Xhin at the level 2 scuttle meetup.

Honestly though, the biggest counter is having your mid show up. A mid / both mids showing up completely changes the name of the game, and actually takes a lot of the power out of Xin's hands.

Malcha3 votes

As someone who play Xin pretty often I can tell you that Xin's success is generally indicative of larger problems. He's still has the ball of stats thing going on and his kit is so basic that if he's a problem, it's more likely down to itemization, jungle rotations, etc...

He can definitely be overbearing, however Xin's only option is to hard-dive and he tends to out-duel most opponents. In team fights he's much less of an issue as long as your team actually pays attention to his ult. Xin starves when the enemy team makes good decisions, because he's reliant on poor play to succeed. Treat him like an assassin early game and he becomes much easier to understand/deal with.

All that said, he is a bit strong with phase rush. I firmly believe his mobility should be somewhat limited and landing his W should reward you the ability to catch up. That was always the caveat with new Xin. If you miss the W, it's likely the person you're chasing is going to escape, if it lands, you're likely to close the distance and be able to E again when it's up. If that is out of balance, Xin becomes problematic in the same way irelia used to be.

TL:DR - Generally Xin's kit isn't broken, he just breaks something else that needs fixing (Devourer, Trinity, Phase rush). His mobility should be somewhat limited so that he has to rely on a successful W to pursue enemy champions.

the weeaboo1 votes

{quoted}

As someone who play Xin pretty often I can tell you that Xin's success is generally indicative of larger problems. He's still has the ball of stats thing going on and his kit is so basic that if he's a problem, it's more likely down to itemization, jungle rotations, etc...

He can definitely be overbearing, however Xin's only option is to hard-dive and he tends to out-duel most opponents. In team fights he's much less of an issue as long as your team actually pays attention to his ult. Xin starves when the enemy team makes good decisions, because he's reliant on poor play to succeed. Treat him like an assassin early game and he becomes much easier to understand/deal with.

All that said, he is a bit strong with phase rush. I firmly believe his mobility should be somewhat limited and landing his W should reward you the ability to catch up. That was always the caveat with new Xin. If you miss the W, it's likely the person you're chasing is going to escape, if it lands, you're likely to close the distance and be able to E again when it's up. If that is out of balance, Xin becomes problematic in the same way irelia used to be.

TL:DR - Generally Xin's kit isn't broken, he just breaks something else that needs fixing (Devourer, Trinity, Phase rush). His mobility should be somewhat limited so that he has to rely on a successful W to pursue enemy champions.

Haha i remember preseason 7 I went on r/xinzhao mains and everyone called me crazy for taking stormraiders. LOOK AT ME NOW BOYS

CURSEÐ REVENANT3 votes

Play Nocturne problem solved.

Risen293 votes

Its not so much xins fault as thier jungle changes. They have turned the jungle into a binary game of contest the scuttle. The strongest level 2 duelers autowin.

I played farming jungle styles with objective and macro focus like shyvana. I now have to consider either giving up the jungle or switching to someone like Udyr or Xin. I will try this freelo xin and see how it goes. I tried graves but felt he is overrated due to lack of sticking power in ganks and poor objective control.

Emerald Fang3 votes

My issue with Xin is that he can win fights with every champion at every single stage of the game. Level 3: Can outduel every single champion. Level 6: Can outduel every champion with invulnerability against ranged. Level 10-11: Warrior + sheen spike means he can EASILY outduel every champion. Level 13-14: Triforce spike. Level 16: Rageblade, then he builds tank and it's all over for your team.

Your team has to put in so much effort to kill him and shut him down before he gets to triforce/rageblade and if you make the tiniest mistake he swoops in and instantly slays you.

Pika Fox2 votes

That has little to do with xin and more to do with the current jungle. Xin is great at lower levels. The jungle meta currently favors good low level junglers.

SacroFudge2 votes

If only there was a way to in champ select choose a champ you didn't want to play against and then remove them from the pool of available champs for that game... If only

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

I'm sorry, but banning a champion with even less counterplay is more important.

Xin will still die 1v5. Mundo will not.

DontPush NoGank2 votes

jgl is fun Kappa

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

hated xin since i started this game in season 2 hes gone through 3 small reworks and still i hate him

Zeppelins circus1 votes

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hated xin since i started this game in season 2 hes gone through 3 small reworks and still i hate him

I totally agree as in my starting post. He only strives on extreme cheese metapicks.

JRobin312 votes

I think it goes like this:

  1. Players are upset about Xin Zhao
  2. RIOT decides to make unnecessary changes to Xin Zhao
  3. Players hate Xin Zhao even more!

As someone who plays Xin Zhao... I'm not a fan of those changes.

BLIGHTBRINGER1 votes

Honestly they need to make his E not point to click but a skillshot. Would give some sort of fair way to deal with him.

My Waifu Vanilla2 votes

You mean by giving him more mobility? It being a skillshot means it can be used at ANY time meaning if he gets caught he can just E away instead of having to hit R which is what he HAS to do now. Also, it goes over walls. Also has a fairly short cooldown if you auto attack things.

IainG101 votes

Leona E; it's a skillshot, doesn't mean she dashes if it hits anything other than a champion

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

How would that work?

BLIGHTBRINGER2 votes

I don't know it was just thr first suggestion that came to mind. Now that I saw what others have sait it would make his mobility even better.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Probably by making you have to land something before dashing, like Leona with her E.

That would be proper counterplay, at least, since it'd give us something to dodge.

Rainfall1 votes

I AM SICK OF XIN ZHAO HE HAS BEEN OP FOR 1 WEEK other players: I AM SICK OF ZED,HE HAS BEEN OP SINCE 2015

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Xin has been too strong for well before this patch.

It's just this one that's made him legitimately broken.

Rico Nasty1 votes

Surprised there isn't more qq about him on the boards. He's been problematic for a while.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

Yeah I hate xin 2, especially the targeted dash combined with a 3 hot knock up, I've been banning him almost every game for a long time now

Not quite sure how to fix him...if he has a slow id take it away

I think I got it, maybe make it so he can only dash 2 champs previously dmg that way he has to use his skill shot poke 1st, that way his dash can't be used as an escape, but it's technically not soley unit cast anymore, unless he AA'd u and then u flashed/dashed...

They should add something 2 his ult 2, like it only blocks in the direction. He's facing and a bit 2 the sides, or that it only blocks a portion of the dmg, or that it only blocks dmg during an AA or Ability.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

Do u think he'd make a good Bot ADC?

Rathar Dashing1 votes

Your prayers are sort of answered? From the PBE today:

AD per level lowered from 3.3 to 3 Audacious Charge (E) slow lowered from 50% to 30%

Zeppelins circus1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rathar Dashing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bGFM4r4q,comment-id=0023,timestamp=2018-05-24T00:05:59.362+0000)

Your prayers are sort of answered? From the PBE today:

AD per level lowered from 3.3 to 3 Audacious Charge (E) slow lowered from 50% to 30%

Yes, its a hefty nerf. Sadly it also means the crabs changes will stay. I cri.

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