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Pyke's Passive and Gold Efficiency

MagnusOfProspero·5/15/2018, 2:25:05 PM·11 votes·19,348 views
Gold efficiency

Pyke's passive is a great tool for winning trades, but some of you might not have known that his passive has a second effect. Whenever you build bonus HP on Pyke, he doesn't gain any and instead gains bonus AD. Thus a Black Cleaver item 3071 would not make you any tankier, but the HP stats would be converted into AD (so no tank Pyke builds). This had me wondering though, at what ratio would they convert HP into AD.

Since passive's are meant to be something that strengthens a champion in their own unique way, I assumed that it would make no since if the conversion was gold inefficient. If it WAS, that would mean his passive denies a stat you paid gold for in an item, and returns a lower gold's worth amount of AD, thus his passive would in fact WEAKEN Pyke, not make him stronger. Following the link above, you will see that 1 AD is worth 35 gold, while 1 HP is worth 2.6 gold. The ratio is very very close to 13 HP = 1 AD in gold value (13.125 to be exact).

Passive's are designed to strengthen the champion, so I'm hoping riot will at least use this 13:1, otherwise building anything with HP tied to it would just be a waste of gold on Pyke. I don't believe the ratio needs to be above this because of the first part of his passive.

Using the 13HP:1AD ratio, The Black Cleaver item 3071 would grant Pyke 40(+31) = 71 AD and 20% CDR along with the armor shred and MS passive. Build Black Cleaver on anyone else and it's a rather good Bruiser item, but a strong assassin item on Pyke. Trinity Force item 3078 25(+19)=44AD and Sterak's Gage item 3053 +50% base AD (+35 bonus AD) are other excellent options, and would give Pyke a decent amount of burst damage as well. Frozen Mallet item 3022 would allow Pyke to further prevent his targets from escaping while allies come to assist in the murder, while granting Pyke a massive 30(+54)=84 AD. Pyke's passive turns Frozen Mallet into the highest AD item in the game. Throw a Stormrazor on top of these 4 and you've got a spicy build.

Granted this is all speculation and I have no idea what ratio will actually be used, but I will be severely disappointed in Riot if they use a ratio that is less gold efficient than base gold efficiency. It would be the first time in League history a champion's passive directly weakened the champion if they build certain items, as any amount of HP would just be wasting gold.

90 Comments

Jackedup865/15/2018, 2:42:36 PM17 votes

Steraks shield is based on bonus HP so with Pyke you would get a shield equal to 0. Not sure it would be good on him

WukongMain5/15/2018, 2:55:56 PM13 votes

Grasp.

Would give him a nasus Q / Veigar AP stacking effect since it gives you +5 bonus hp per proc. pick up Overgrowth too in the same tree. Lul.

Ok sure but why5/15/2018, 3:02:43 PM4 votes

So Lulu will turn into Janna if she ults Pyke

cool

Meep Man5/15/2018, 2:51:02 PM4 votes

I would not build Sterak's on Pyke as he would get a 0 shield from the passive. However, a build like...

item 3111 item 3742 item 3071 item 3022 item 3065 item 3800

...could be really interesting if the Passive does make "building Health" on him still gold efficient. He would still be durable due to the defenses provided and tenacity from Mercury Treads while still gaining tons of AD from the health conversion and the AD on Black Cleaver and Frozen Mallet. Dead Man's Plate plus Righteous Glory plus his W would undoubtedly lead to some pretty quick and hard to respond to initiations with his Q and E. He also becomes impossible to escape with his pretty wicked mobility plus Black Cleaver's speed boost and Mallet's slow. Spirit Visage also boosts his other passive to make him very resilient to quick fights so long as he can get away.

Pyke is a very interesting champion and, if this passive is worth investing into, I can see it making for some pretty interesting builds for him.

This is also not taking into note the interesting interaction he could have with Grasp for unlimited attack damage. If it is every 13 HP = 1 AD, that means every 3 procs = 1 AD. Depending on how much he can skirmish and the timing of how his fights play out, he could possibly abuse this to get really high attack damage by the late game against certain lanes that let you hit them a decent bit without too much immediate consequence that Pyke can easily dodge, such as Sion, Trundle, and Ornn. I'm not sure how his passive would work with Overgrowth, but it's likely underwhelming.

meowwow75/15/2018, 3:21:13 PM4 votes

what has me worried is what will his interaction be with item 3193 or item 3190

5050BS5/16/2018, 1:40:04 AM3 votes

item 3053 passive does not trigger because he does not have any bonus HPs. Its not a good item on him.

You want items with HP and Def

Iv found this to be good item 3194 item 3022 item 3800 item 3071 item 3748 item 3025

Yes I know no boots but with his W and RG and E he has a lot of movement.

Jaspers5/15/2018, 2:51:55 PM2 votes

There would be a few items mostly useless on him. Locket for example, it would only be the base shield, Warmong's passive would never trigger.

Although, Gargoyle Stone plate would be interesting to see how that works. It increases both base HP and bonus HP but if his bonus HP is 0 because of his passive, all it would do would increase his base HP and wouldn't get more bonus HP which is then converted to AD. But is the 40% (or 100% depending) increase in HP classes as bonus HP?

Pika Fox5/15/2018, 3:11:18 PM1 votes

Hes still a support and will have support gold income, so he will need a cheaper budget build.