Riot will make some meaningful changes to the, currently underpowered, Thornmail!

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The main reason no one used ohmwrecker was that turrets were so weak that they didn't need it. One of the upcoming changes are buffed turrets.

lol buffed turrets saw some pbe gameplay guess what everyone and everything is now 2 shotting turrets rofl

Well its weak overall. armor is obtainable elsewhere(and u get hp and other stuff typically with it) the TM passive is pretty much ignorable vs lifesteal building.

Doesnt needs re-worked imho. Just something added to make it worth getting.

Except that logic still doesn't make sense. There is no reason to up gold costs and up passive gold gen since that changes absolutely nothing besides bigger numbers in the store for the sake of bigger numbers. If everything in the store is costing roughly the same as it was before with the new gold gen implemented.....what was the point? Answer. There ISN'T one besides the fact they can hide multiple nerfs in the new system like Black Cleaver getting 500g more expensive but since there is increased gold gen it doesn't matter right? Wrong. It would take roughly 450 seconds or so to make up for that increased gold cost. Yes there is the new Rift Herald and kills grant more gold than before but that is going to be gold that is going to go to the already WINNING team which will create a bigger discrepancy between the teams along with the fact many items now have giant power spikes attached to them (Warrior, Shiv/Rapidfire Cannon, Ghostblade, etc. now give a much bigger power spike on PBE compared to live) so the first team to finish an item will generally be even more ahead than usual.

PBE currently is wayyy too snowbally and usually lasts about 25-30 minutes a game tops because you can easily run away with any sort of lead due to all of the power they have put into completing one of the new items. I can go lane pantheon and automatically win the game almost buy simply finishing a Ghostblade because it gives SOO many stats for its cost (I will gladly pay 500 more for 35 more AD than live values and also benefit from a significantly better build path for the loss of 15% crit not many people cared about). A lot of ADCs also snowball exceptionally well with the new items due to having extremely easy access to early crit chance on multiple items which leads to a very snowbally enviornment and hard to deal with since most of these items also have absurd defensive stats on them whether it be DR, Lifesteal, MS, or CDR for your escapes it is very hard to kill an ADC that has multiple items.

The new maw simply counters subpar itemization. Any item that isn't really great is countered by Maw of Malmortius since it's simply way undercosted.

Honestly it seems more likely that the new LW will screw with Thornmail... simply because it is cheap so it is easy to pick up after you see your opponent going for lots of armor/thornmail

Like new LW is a pickaxe + 425 gold to reduce the value of the enemy armor worth 600+ gold (600 if only thornmail... slightly more if you count runes and such and even more if the target have other armor items)

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Yes, 19.8 to 21.6 gp10. Very buffed. Also minions don't give more gold, that is the jungle and less exp to non-junglers so people cannot lvl2 cheese it to lane. Shutdowns do not give more gold, they have a visual indicator not gold buff. Nothing is being compensated because of more gold, they are getting cost increases because of how LW now only affects Bonus making % Pen weaker.

With all the Lifesteal and Ad-MR items, thornmail is 60% gold efficient in comparison yet it got a price increase. Currently it's 87% gold efficient. It's not "cheaper"

But with all the that's going around like Aids in PBE.

"Oh golly gosh, I hope you are not angry I reduced your +300hp per aa to 250. I'm so sorry </3 I'm trying my best to be anti-aa item". "You are a failure of a tank item, get out of my house!"

The changes aren't all up on the pbe yet. My info was sourced from one of the Q&A's. I'll find it if you wish.

Shutdowns do indeed give more gold on PBE and start at simply having one kill and then increase from there (you are worth like 367 or whatever if you are on a 1-kill streak iirc) but it still does not compensate for multiple gold increases.

Also I don't know what PBE games you have been playing because no one is buying bloodthirster in mine because the item is just.....bad compared to almost any other tanky damage item such as Death's Dance/Maw/Mercurial. All of the above give lifesteal and an AD value that is roughly in the ballpark of BT but also give either 20% effective DR, a more effective shield AND MR, or a cleanse AND MR while also generally being cheaper/more accessible build path than the OG BT.

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They complain so that Riot will give us information about their thought process before the changes hit live. This is WAY too much of a shift for everyone to sit quietly on it for two weeks (if 5.22 even hits in 2 weeks).

Also if we yell loud enough maybe we can change something. ...Nah, I'm not a Riven or Lee Sin main.

As if they listen to the feedback of their customers.

explains why my most played this season is renek and why i usually buy thornmail on him

Diamond no backtalk.

ever play rammus?

boop

Hey, don't lump all of them in with him.

That item is balls and sensible ADCs know it.