> Ashe's basic attacks always deal bonus damage to slowed targets, replacing her ability to critically strike. Bonus damage increases with her critical strike chance.
Does this then mean that she deals no bonus damage against slow immune targets such as Olaf or Master Yi during their ultimates, thereby nullifying her critical strike stats? i.e. will she deal less damage against these targets?
DreamLeviathan2 votesHm. Interesting. They've since clarified that it's not actually based on all slows and instead only works off of her own passive slow, so they probably COULD split the debuff into two parts to make her damage stay against Olaf/Yi. I have no idea if they will think to do so or want to do so, though, or what it's like now on PBE
Sire Hippington2 votesyes, atm she looses the crit bonus vs olaf, yi and morganas black shield.
The5lacker2 votesWow, that seems like a staggeringly bad design choice, especially since Ashe can't ever break Morg's shield by herself. Like, ever.
50000000000000001 votes
Wit's End is a weird item on Ashe (before or after rework), though. Counter building is a thing, so...
On the other hand, 
is certainly a counter pick to Ashe.
The5lacker1 votesYou do realize Wit's End can't crit, completely negating the "breaking the shield to allow Ashe to crit" point of your argument, right?
And Statikk Shiv deals 100 magic damage. Morg's shield absorbs 350 (+70% AP) magic damage. Even in a perfect world where Morg hasn't built any AP and has no MR (which is impossible, but lets roll with it), Ashe would have to get 4 Shiv procs off to break her shield. Which...physically cannot be done in the 5 second duration of Black Shield due to the 2.5 AS speed limit.
This is something that obviously needs to be changed. I can't even understand why they did this. Ashe is already countered hard by CC immunity, having that COMPLETELY CUT HER DAMAGE is just...insane.
Lord Dusteon1 votesYou do realize Wit's End can't crit, completely negating the "breaking the shield to allow Ashe to crit" point of your argument, right?
And Statikk Shiv deals 100 magic damage. Morg's shield absorbs 350 (+70% AP) magic damage. Even in a perfect world where Morg hasn't built any AP and has no MR (which is impossible, but lets roll with it), Ashe would have to get 4 Shiv procs off to break her shield. Which...physically cannot be done in the 5 second duration of Black Shield due to the 2.5 AS speed limit.
This is something that obviously needs to be changed. I can't even understand why they did this. Ashe is already countered hard by CC immunity, having that COMPLETELY CUT HER DAMAGE is just...insane.
(Not arguing about the lack of crits, thats pretty stupid)
Just looking at her Q, Hurricane, and Statikk Shiv I think it's POSSIBLE for Ashe to break through the Black Shield, as it was said "Runaan's fires 2 bolts for every single attack during a Focus-empowered Q". Meaning with enough additional targets for Runaan's, Ashe could recharge Statikk on every attack (even if only her first Focus Q shot of the 5 gives a charge, the Runaan's bolts will each give 1 for 11 charges max per Q shot).
So it's possible, but would require building Statikk and Runaan's, then using Q while multiple targets for Runaan's to hit are nearby. And would require the target to have low MR and Morgana to have low AP.
The5lacker1 votesHer Q doesn't apply on-hit effects 5 times.
Sire Hippington2 votesfor runaans it's also only the first of the 5(10) hits that procs on-hit. The aditional bolts also deal 50% of a flury bolt damage rather than 50% ad
Jeddy0171 votesMore like creating counters.It's good to have champs that are strong against other champs. Ashe is scissors.Ulted Yi,ulted Olaf & black shielded Morg are now rock.
Lord Dusteon2 votesMore like creating counters.It's good to have champs that are strong against other champs. Ashe is scissors.Ulted Yi,ulted Olaf & black shielded Morg are now rock.
That's a crappy cop out to weaknesses though. It should be "oh, these people can ignore/weaken my slow and dive, they are a bit more effective" not "oh, these people can ignore my slow AND reduce my damage by at least half to them. Guess I can't fight them". League in general is more defined by SOFT counters; champion X might be better against champion Y, but skill can help champion Y win anyway.
Jeddy0171 votesYou make it sound like Ashe have to 1v1 these guys.An Ashe should have the support of her team to deal with these guys. If they got a Yi,get a team with some hard CC & can do most the damage for you.With Olaf is the same thing expect you can't CC him.With Morg,have you AP damage dealer get rid of her shield.Problem solve.
Sire Hippington1 votesraw rock scissors paper is a poor balance-design. softcounters are great, haveing small adcantages disadvanrages is what you want, but with hard counters why bother playing if champselect already tells the outcome? Yi already counters ahse by ignoreing her main selfpeel, no need to reduce the damage that much aswell. If they would only have the 10% base increase bound to slow while applying the flattend crit to each auto, it would be better.
Martyrofsand2 votesEh I'm not really to against this. Right now it's like 3 champs that can stop it, of those only 1 really sees real play(morgana), and having a counter in lane isn't that bad, not to mention most supports like Thresh/Annie/Lulu/Nami/etc tend to do enough to break the shield letting Ashe crit again. To me it's a reasonable weakness for a champ that will crit 100% of the time otherwise, even if the crit is a bit less than normal her consistent damage will still be extremely strong.
Miku Lv991 votesThis seems really dumb. Ashe shouldn't have counters that counter her that hard. She's like already demoted to a champion that you pick as the 10th pick or not at all pretty much because of this.
