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Why lee sin will always be kept they way he is.

Fawksea··2 votes·646 views

If you look at (at least by community standarts) the top "high skill floor champs", top lane you have riven, fiora. mid you have yasuo and azir, some other mages aswell. adc you have (well not currently but) vayne, lucian. support you have thresh, rakkan. jungle? lee sin. yes there are more, i just gave a few popular examples, but i can't think of anyone in the jungle who's high skill cap at all, most of them are just very very simple, even if high skill cap in the jungle it just makes it easier :\

edit: if it helps, think of the difference between a good x champ and bad x champ the difference between a good lee sin and bad one is incredible, either they're fed or behind you can tell the difference. unlike people such as evelynn or kha'zix, while kha'zix is hard to learn, it's not much difference besides "good kha'zix's know how to get fed" shaco i would consider but everyone just goes dark harvest duskblade and one shot ppl.

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Dead flag blues2 votes

Ivern, Evelynn and Kindred are way harder than Lee Sin imo. (No, using your ward-hopping isn't a mega-skilled thing to do)

Fawksea1 votes

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Ivern, Evelynn and Kindred are way harder than Lee Sin imo. (No, using your ward-hopping isn't a mega-skilled thing to do)

ivern high skill cap? evelynn? never see the difference between a good and bad one o.O kindred's are just late game marksman now so not much skill but she is hard to play

Dead flag blues1 votes

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ivern high skill cap? evelynn? never see the difference between a good and bad one o.O kindred's are just late game marksman now so not much skill but she is hard to play

not talking about mechanically hard, mostly about macro-plays. Evelynn needs to set-up her W and make her target running towards her (getting an insane pressure on the entire map), Ivern has to invade the enemy jungle without getting caught (already seen good Ivern players, it's really impressive how they can time their passive with smite), Kindred needs to invade the enemy jungle to get the stacks, and since he's a marksman against a lot of jungle assassins (kha / rengar), he has to be really careful.

Lee doesn't have to do any of those things, strongest early game jungler, can invade whenever he wants, easy ganks (2 targetted dash, don't tell me "hitting a skillshot is hard")

KoreanEzMode2 votes

Shaco In my opinion has a pretty high skill cap as a jungler, If you don't know how to rotate him well and how to gank properly you'll end up feeding your ass off. But if you know how to play him you can do pretty well.

Edit: His mechanics arent necessarily a high skill cap, but they're definately not easy, but it's his kit that gives him a high skill cap.

Fawksea1 votes

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Shaco In my opinion has a pretty high skill cap as a jungler, If you don't know how to rotate him well and how to gank properly you'll end up feeding your ass off. But if you know how to play him you can do pretty well.

Edit: His mechanics arent necessarily a high skill cap, but they're definately not easy, but it's his kit that gives him a high skill cap.

i agree, though right now he's brain dead thanks to dark harvest+duskblade

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Depends on how you consider skill cap. Champions such as Kha'zix roll through the early game but are hard to play during mid-late game teamfights.

Fawksea1 votes

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Depends on how you consider skill cap. Champions such as Kha'zix roll through the early game but are hard to play during mid-late game teamfights.

forgot about him, will consider him high skill cap doe it's not much difference besides "a good kha can get fed and a bad one can't"

TaunkaTruck1 votes

Riot needs to add one minor change to Lee. Just as Noct and Graves have an interaction, so should Lee and Teemo. When Teemo blinds Lee, it should extend his vision for 1 second, or make him emote or something. You can't blind a blind man, right?

Salson1 votes

Close, but you forgot Nidalee Always found her way harder than Lee, as she can't even build tanky if she wants to keep doing damage.

Rengar Elise Graves Kindred Shaco are also decent. Not Riven level, but surely Camille Ekko Orianna level.

Fawksea1 votes

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Close, but you forgot Nidalee Always found her way harder than Lee, as she can't even build tanky if she wants to keep doing damage.

Rengar Elise Graves Kindred Shaco are also decent. Not Riven level, but surely Camille Ekko Orianna level.

nidalee i can't consider her high skill cap, since even pro players just build supportive on her at this point. rengar is brain dead til his rework, same with shaco and graves, kindred is uh.. i can't tell the difference between a good and bad kindred, not gonna lie.. just a fed and non fed one. elise i agree doe

BigBonedCartman1 votes

nice joke lee sin is an extremely easy champion cancerous and toxic for the game probabily you are new at the game

Fawksea1 votes

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nice joke lee sin is an extremely easy champion cancerous and toxic for the game probabily you are new at the game

yea he is, but he has a high skill cap, you can tell the difference between a good and bad lee sin, even if he is easy to play in some combos.

WolfChases1 votes

High skill cap junglers other than LeeSin : Elise Kindred Shaco would also add Nidalee here. She might look simple due to her Q but actually animation canceling is crucial on her and it makes big difference brtween good and bad Nidalee players.

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