"Taliyah has a lot of strengths that are great in pro play, and just okay elsewhere, so we made her bad at all levels of play"
It just pisses me off that Riot out right said she was too good in pro play and that's why they made the changes
This wasn't meant to be some detailed post. it's a salt post and I wanted to see if anyone else felt the same. To me the changes are awful for her overall.
once again. she got nerfed into oblivion simply because she saw play in the LC$. i really like Taliyah myself but when i saw she was a popular pick in the LC$ I knew this was coming. Riot does this to every champion that dares step foot in their tournaments. LC$ MUST have only very spicific champions played in it and if any champion thats not part of that select pool gets picked and put in the spotlight then that champion is promptly gutted and removed from all levels of play as punishment. This is why i personally boycott the LC$. But thats just me.
that aside, since her release Riot really has had a personal problem with this champion. She has been ignored by the skin team, and the fact that they now have to make her a SSW skin is really pissing them off. Shes recieved mostly nerfs across the board despite her struggles in most elo's and over all they just dont like her.
i will never understand the hate they have for Taliyah but what can i do about?
The movespeed on Worked Ground made Worked ground actually useful, like you could cover for escapes... Having a 1 mana 1 shard Q< WHO CARES??? I can last hit without the Q. The movespeed you gained from worked ground was about 4x more than her 15 movespeed buff.
They made the champ less interesting.
And the Q, by gawd they wanted to reduce the WAVECLEAR, and fine? But why should it be so crap to use in fights now? Since it has no AOE... since you have no movespeed while casting it.
Might as well do a total VGU on Taliyah. 2 years and they fucked it up. One of their best champion designs down the drain. GG Rioto.
You won't find many. Not enough normal players play Taliyah, so not enough people will notice it. Those of us that do play her are the only ones who will notice and we can tell it's a dumbass change.
Riot's recent obsession with balancing around the pro scene is frankly pathetic. Have they forgotten who it was that made them popular? Because it sure as fuck wasn't the pro players. It was average players like you and I. But apparently they aren't smart enough to know or aren't smart enough to care.
Their goal isn't to balance her. Their goal is to gut her, so she's unusable in pro play.
I'd be okay with the changes if it wasn't for the AOE change. Her laning phase is gonna be awful now.
@OP watch Pheak's patch rundown to get a closer reasoning as to why she was changed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApbKw_exxMc
Now i am not saying he is right as to what it means for her(don't actually play her) but i think its good if you took a look at their actual reasoning so you could form a stronger argument as to why these changes are potentially bad or not do what they intended.
Only saying this for your own benefit, if you made a post that seem like you were trying to make constructive criticism rather than a baby rage thread(not saying your concerns for her are not valid), they may respond.
gonna have to wait and see for sure. The one mana Q on worked ground is going to be pretty good, not sure if it will make up for the loss in wave clear
Idk why they need to nerf her ult duration so much, 5 seconds is fucking nothing when everyone has a way of bypassing her wall nowadays.
I would care and probably be pissed if I wasnt still pissed about the stupid w vector casting. I cant even fucking play her.
As a Taliyah main (For the support role.)
I see HUGE problems.
Passive - Nice changes, their actually HUGE differences. But she needs a new passive or a new ultimate. Both together are terrible... Do nothing for you .-. But the change was nice. The get out potential is actually really solid in the jungle now.
Q - No longer AoE, STILL makes that SHITTY worked ground BULLSHIT.
W - AMAZING buff thank god. That 12 second... Thank the lords.
E - Well shes practically useless until level 5.... For her burst damage .-. RIPPPPPPPPPP
R - Her ult was downright HARDCORE garbage since her release. How about a new one?
Problems:
Passive - It's paired with a really shitty ultimate. If the ultimate was actually satisfying and good to use, would be different.
Q - (pre nerf) The wave clear and damage was nice especially when people were grouped up especially with 
(Nerf) but now its like... Why bother buying either of those items except for W E combo. The Q was so heavily restricted for no reason. Especially having worked ground still. Sure worked ground gives a lot, but it also hinders you HUGELY since AoE is now not a thing, its like whats the point especially in the worked ground except to force you to never be able to wave clear with Q?
W - Never had a problem with this honestly. The buff was nice.
E - Now this spell got hit HARD... It's gonna take Taliyah level 5 before she can even look at fighting ever in the game... Who wants to play freaking safe till 8 minutes as Taliyah....? No one...
R - Holy there are so many problems with this ultimate:
Screws your team mates over, cooldowns too long for garbage... its now only 5 second wall vs enemies... Can't use wall when being attacked to get out.... Whyyyy????
The R itself needs to be removed and replaced honestly.
Anyway... Enough on my rant... Taliyahs still fine support.... But holy shes awful now mid .-.
Just like my poor wife :( ( 
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Tried playing her today, and I agree. She feels absolutely awful to play right now. Really dislike what they did with the AOE Q changes.
Taliyah is also too good in high elo being a literal better TF. I don't see why this is hard to see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNB0hcuLqPo
I remember watching this video not too long ago. That doesn't really apply to most of us, but does say something about her kit, even when they had nerfed it some.
But ya, I honestly haven't seen much of her and wish I were better with her.
If her Q waveclear was so problematic they could've just nerfed her Q dmg or make it do reduced dmg to minions, or both. The aoe removal sounds awful and since most popular mid picks I see often are Yasuo and Zed, all she had against them is waveclear options. Now she can't do that and they'll shove her in (better than she can now), roam, and get kills.
Also another E dmg nerf nice.
Lol 1 mana back on WG Qs.
Taliyah has been repeatedly shat on for no good reason since release
One of the best new champs on release and all they do is ruin her.
I dislike her speed being moved to her passive. She will have a much harder time in lane. The move speed from worked ground helped when you were ganked. Having it shifted to her passive, you can roam more quickly but that means squat if you're dead.
Her Q changes, while I like the change to 1 mana cost on worked ground, the other changes have reduced her teamfight, poke, and mobility. Cool, I can still CS relatively well but that doesn't mean much if that's ALL I can do. Also I love how they reverted her Q cooldown to what it was a few patches ago. That gave me a good laugh.
The W buff really feels like a slap in the face. "Sorry for messing with your champ, here's a cooldown buff!"
E damage decreased at early levels??? At early levels I was relying on my Q for damage (Which has been changed). The initial and ending damage was more for champs that are trying to jump on me. This really feels like a "We didn't want to completely gut her Q so we just removed some damage from her E instead".
If her R is being nerfed, can we at least have a "zoom out" for more vision? Similar to Zoe and Jhin's ults? I'd be more ok with the R nerf if we received this too.
