Garen's reworked 'W' in other Game Modes

Aezeraith·Aug 16, 2015·14 votes·3,597 views

Never posted here before, and don't really browse so hopefully this hasn't already been previously addressed. My apologies if it has but, MOVING ON

With Garen's rework coming up in the next patch it got me wondering how his W would scale in other game modes that don't have heavy emphasis on CS-ing like on Summoner's Rift.

Using ARAM as an example, CSing there tends to just be a happy accident from pushing the wave back at the enemy, and practically impossible for a melee champion [Garen included]. this makes his scaling W practically useless.

Same goes for Dominion but, lol Dominion

Would he get similar treatment like Gangplank does with generating Silver Serpents over time? Where Garen just poops out armor every minute or so? Or will he just get thrown under the bus for these game modes?

12 Comments

RiotRiotRepertoirAug 17, 201532 votes

To be straightforward, I dropped the ball on this one and it didn't really cross my mind or get suggested to me until after the branch cut. I plan to do something about it in 5.17.

President FkBoiAug 17, 20156 votes

+1 for honest reply. Thanks for being straightforward with us.

AezeraithAug 17, 20151 votes

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To be straightforward, I dropped the ball on this one and it didn't really cross my mind or get suggested to me until after the branch cut. I plan to do something about it in 5.17.

Thank you for your attention <3

Lookin forward to it

TotalJerkAug 17, 20152 votes

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it didn't really cross my mind or get suggested to me until after the branch cut.

Confirms my theory.

SKOBODOAug 17, 20151 votes

Could that something be stacks over time? Just increasing the scaling carries with it several issues. In ARAM, Garens that get to farm are going to be stronger than Garens that don't, which could cause some trouble. Some Garens might get frustrated at their team for "stealing cs" and lash out at them.

In Dominion, having it scale with cs might force Garen players to push top in order to keep up, but proper Dominion gameplay is more about fighting in the jungle and ganking bot than pushing top. Good Garens usually average around 20 cs per game or so in Dominion. Furthermore, bot lane Garens might become too strong if the ratio per minion is increased, since bot laners actually do get a lot of farm. We've seen it happen before with bot lane Thresh.

The GP solution seems to work fine. Give Garen some stacks over time and he'll probably be in an okay spot, without being overpowered or awkward to play.

Hyrum GraffAug 17, 20154 votes

{quoted}

To be straightforward, I dropped the ball on this one and it didn't really cross my mind or get suggested to me until after the branch cut. I plan to do something about it in 5.17.

Any chance of something like this for nasus/veigar, too?

0mega ZAug 17, 20151 votes

agreed

Sire HippingtonAug 17, 20151 votes

could you guys get some BIG posters into riot HQ reminding you that there are other maps than Summoners? I think it was rather unneeded that GP got a compensation on that maps 1 patch after the release, despite multiple people mentioning his problems on other maps on PBE already. And i'm still waiting for a small adjustment on Devourer in TT, like 3 stacks for captureing the altar...faster paced map, less stacks aviable on the map, doesn't make much sense to me...or just a devourer that needs less stacks to complete but also offers less damage, as a completed sated is pretty scary for skirmishes, which happen alot in TT

AMYS GRAVEAug 18, 20151 votes

haha, +1 for honesty.

When you guys make new champs and rework old ones, maybe you should consider some sort of checklist before going beta on the PBE. For champions things like

This champ has a unique theme. This champ has a unique kit and playstyle. This champ has a lane that they can call home. This champ is fun to play as. This champ is fun to have as a teammate. This champ is fun to play against. This champ has strong and weak phases of the game (early mid late). This champ has effective trading patterns. This champ has counter-able trading patterns. This champ is a counter to specific champions. (list them) This champ is countered by specific champions. (list them) This champ works on dominion. This champ works on aram. This champ works on TT.

I don't mean to gripe on your or other rioters because overall i feel like you guys hit most of these points most of the time but sometimes you guys overlook what should be foreseeable problems. Putting a 15-20 question barrier to putting content on the PBE could save some frustration for the community on occasion. While it might be frustrating for the dev who wants to see their content go out if they can't answer basic questions like these then maybe their content isn't ready to go out....

AezeraithAug 16, 20153 votes

Armor/MR per Champion/LargeMonster/EpicMonster kill 1 >>> 0.3

So unless I'm killing/assisting in killing 100 dudes on ARAM...