So, is Riot going to actually address the support gold gen gap?

Daedric Etwahl··4 votes·403 views

Like, seriously, I know they nerfed Ancient Coin but I honestly think they nerfed the wrong thing. Sure, maybe the mana gain on the coins was a bit out of line but I think the biggest issue on it right now is the gold gen, it's just so high.

I'm a Sona main, she's all I play in the support role, and I almost feel like I'm forced to play coin instead of Spellthiefs because I feel like I'm just gimping myself and my team, especially when the enemy support takes coin. And they almost ALWAYS have coin anymore, even the folks who normally would take Relic like Blitz or Taric.

The actual lane experience of using coin just doesn't feel fun, not compared to Spellthiefs, and I feel so much weaker than normal when I take Coin. I don't know how the Relic Shielders are doing, but Spellthiefs just feels completely pointless with coin being this strong. Plus the gold gen on coin allows me to buy Censer even earlier than normal (of course I buy it, playing Sona) which only further exacerbates Censer's problems.

I don't claim to know stuff about actual balancing or anything, but all I know is that when enemy Alistars and Blitzcranks and Tarics or even Sonas, one of the easiest champions to stack Spellthiefs on, are all basically railroaded into taking coin just to keep up, something feels wrong.

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MLDzXnRRR1 votes

Coin is 25 gold per wave. Is this too much?

Daedric Etwahl1 votes

I dont know the numbers, but I do know its more than that. I regularly get 2 gold coins per wave, especially with cannon minions' guaranteed coin drop.

And that's just on Ancient Coin. Upgrading it nets you 40 hold per gold coin.

Like I said, I dont claim to know balance. But this just feels out of line co.pared to the other two gold gen items

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

You can't get regularly 2 gold coins per wave. If you do, report a bug.

Daedric Etwahl1 votes

Then I must be mistaken in that regard. However, maybe 25/40 gold per wave (counting cannon guarantees?) Isnt much compared to other incomes, I don't know. But it's way more than Spellthiefs and Relic, especially once upgraded to Nomad's, then you're just left on the dust.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

Other items give better combat stats. The coin line was made to generate gold. If you fight a support with a shield or bonus AP, you will lose with the coin strat.

XJochumX1 votes

not if you are ahead one item. U will have more stats...

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

In a 40 minute game probably. In a 25 minute game you aren't ahead in stats or items. The games are around 25 minutes and is clear who will win around 10th-15th minute.

Yrzen1 votes

This reasoning bothers me.

Gold is equivalent to combat stats. I see a lot of people touting item 3092 as an offensive option when, factoring in the cost of sightstone, item 2301 gets you more AP. (And overall stats) Put a sightstone next to Frost Queen's and a Blasting Wand next to Eye of the Watcher's and it becomes self-evident.

I wonder what the actual difference in gold the Coin line offers?

The Last Ballad1 votes

I see the eye vs active thing more like.

am I going to be using more actives(item 3060 item 3030 item 3109 item 3190 item 3222 item 3056 item 3143 item 3107 item 3800 item 3050 item 3157 item 3512?

Or am I going to use more passive stat boost items?

With the first you go item 3092 item 3401 item 3069 with item 2045 for that juicy 20% cdr, and with the other you go for the eye for the extra slot.

Zone of Endless1 votes

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Coin is 25 gold per wave. Is this too much?

it's a lot safer and way more easy to get gold out of ancient coin though despite riot trying to add 'risk' to it and when you upgrade it's 40 gold per coin. I've always done comparison with enemy's gold gen item and with coin against spellthief or relic I'm always ahead of them in gold unless our lane got stomped.

By 20 minutes or so I've usually gain 2k+ gold just from coin alone.

chipndip11 votes

No, but 40 from the 500 gold upgrade + 40 from all assists after 650 gold acquired definitely is.

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