Veigar is the dumbest champion ever, he will win against practically any ap mid laner and at level 14 i was playing as yasuo HIS ULT LITERELLY 1 shotted me and he wasnt even fed, he had a rod of ages and ludens. At level 16 all of his abilities 1 shot, I was playing as yasuo and i could even 7 shot him, when he could kill me with just his ult or q, its so broken plz nerf rito.
Lord Dusteon7 votesAt level 14 Yasuo has 30 MR, 1509 health, and a 290 health flow shield. The MR means Veigar does 76.92% of the damage he normally would.
Let's assume Veigar has maxed QW and has 2 points in R. Veigar's base damage on R (the supposed one shot) will be 375 + 100% AP. I will disregard the enemy AP ratio, as you were Yasuo and hopefully didn't build like a moron. Rod of Ages and Luden's add 200 AP (max RoA stacks), with Luden's also adding a 100 +10% AP ratio.
So far, Veigar has 475 +110% AP damage and 200 AP. This is 695 damage. Discounting both Yasuo's flow shield and Yasuo's MR, that means Veigar needs to have farmed 740 AP from Q. If we count his MR, 1152 AP from Q. If we count his flow shield and MR, 2126 AP from Q.
If you let Veigar farm up over 700 minions + monsters (and likely multiple champions) you entirely deserved to die.
Penns1 votesThat would be true if any Veigar ever didnt have 800+ AP at level 14. I know OP himself said roa + ludens but your calculation basically proved Veigar = op lel.
DrCyanide5 votesNo, his calculations prove that if you let a game drag on to the point that Veigar can farm 700 minions you have bigger problems than Veigar.
Penns1 votesNo... What Veigar has 200 AP level 14? Thats physically impossible. Assuming Veigar has Morello + Rabadons at level 14 (which isnt a lot), he has at least 600- 700 AP if he knows how to farm, which is more than enough to oneshot even a Yasuo if he gets stunned once, which is broken.
DrCyanide1 votesAs they said, 200 AP = Luden's + RoA, which are the only two items the OP is claiming Veigar had at the time. You can't go changing the items around and maintain the same discussion. To get the damage the OP is claiming, Veigar needed to farm far beyond LCS levels with Q.
Penns1 votesYeah but "I know OP himself said roa + ludens" kinda implies that I would disregard what he said from now on lol. Why cant I change the items around? The intention of OP was to say that Veigar is op, rod of ages + ludens was just an example so I dont see why Im not allowed to do that? :[
DrCyanide1 votesIf you want to do all the calculations again, be my guest, but until you do the calculations given can only prove one thing, that Veigar couldn't have bursted that Yasuo.
... Unless we assume he was full AP Yasuo, master of sweeping blade damage.
Penns1 votesI can do the calculations again with, like I said twice now, 700 AP at least (Morello + Rabadons + potent player farming Q) So that would be 2775 dmg (if he maxed W second), 2135 if you take the mentioned 30 MR into account. Still 1840 dmg if you go with 40 MR and Veigar maxing his stun second. And even that is indeed a oneshot.
TheDevice5 votes
Shroom Junkie1 votesLol, what's that from? xD
Very Hard Engage4 votesits a shame you didnt build ANY 
OR use your wind wall to PUT HIS ULTIMATE ON COOLDOWN.
but whatever, you just felt you HAD to go that full crit damage build for the sake of the team, am i rite?
Shroom Junkie2 votesBruh. You wouldn't even think about complaining about Veigar before he was played in the competitive scene, shut the fuck up nothing has changed he just became more popular and now people think he's OP.
Penns1 votesMad veigar main kek
Shroom Junkie1 votesI rarely if ever play Veigar, actually.
Penns1 votesThen dont complain about people complaining, everyone basically agrees that Veigar is like the best mid laner atm...
Shroom Junkie1 votesYeah, and they didn't agree on that until he was played in the LCS. In fact they said he needed buffs. He's awesome in the LCS because people know how to play him. He's awesome in solo queue because either A. they know how to play them, B. the enemy doesn't know how to play against him, or possibly both.
Penns1 votesIf you just needed to know how to play against him, he wouldnt be good in LCS/ at worlds. The reason hes awesome in solo queue is because either A. His cage is like the most broken non- ultimate ability in the game in this meta, B. he scales way too well into "late game" (Vayne syndrome), most certainly both tho.
Shroom Junkie1 votesHe's always had that. Nothing has changed. If he's OP now he was OP two months ago. The only thing that has changed is he now gets AP on assists along with kills now. But two months ago, in fact, since his nerfs, people have asked for BUFFS, but as soon as he gets played in Worlds he suddenly needs nerfed.
And yes, he would be good in LCS and at worlds, because the people there are GOOD, unlike us who are BAD, and are not in CHALLENGER. That's like saying Bard needs nerfs because he was played well in the LCS and I have no doubt he'll be played in Worlds at some point too.
Penns1 votesYou know what changed? The entire meta changed. From champs (assassins) that all counter Veigar to champs that he can zone and kite for days if he doesnt oneshot them. Stop thinking direct changes are the only changes that exist... Also I think even a plat player that loves playing Veigar and knows him in and out is just as good with Veigar as some LCS player. Theyre just better at making decisions etc. I guess.
Shroom Junkie1 votesJust wondering Can Zed still hop over his wall? Can you still not touch the edges of his wall? Did his stun zone become like Ekko's? Can he one-shot people any better than he used to?
No? Nothing changed in terms of that? 'kay, didn't think so.
Penns1 votesZed is, like every other AD assassin except for Yasuo, virtually useless (at least seen as useless) in this meta, thats why hes so good. Keeping someone in it is enough. Technically yes since he scales faster with double Q and no one builds MR anymore.
Shroom Junkie1 votesZed isn't useless. Nor is any other AD assassin. Like tf were you thinking, ever heard of Rengar? Even high-high elos have a problem with him. Maybe not as meta as some other mid laners like Viktor or Azir, but definitely not useless. Especially a team fight assassin like Talon, can take out one or two targets and deal tons of AOE damage in the process.
Penns1 votesBut Rengar isnt played mid lane, Im talking about champs that "counter" Veigar. Also I said "seen as useless" because tanks > assassins and.. u know.. juggernauts.
Shroom Junkie1 votesWell if we're talking about mid assassins, we're talking about like 3 or 4. Zed, Talon, Kha'zix, and sometimes the rare but still common Master Yi. And 3 out of 4 of them have blinks to hop over Veig's wall.
Penns1 votesYeah, thats why they counter him. But theyre not played at all and if they are they get punished hard by all those new balanced items and rendered nearly useless anyway.
Shroom Junkie1 votesI see Zed and Talon played a lot, Kha'zix played when they think it will work and they're experienced with it, and Master Yi is pretty rare but it only makes sense considering there are better positions for him.
You're definitely just a fanboy to the pros. You probably thought Veigar was a shit pick before it was picked in Worlds, like most people did, and you think all AD assassins are shit. AD assassins aren't the best picks at the moment at a professional level but anywhere else they're good, Veigar definitely isn't OP and hasn't been for quite awhile, I assume you think Morgana is OP too or some shit.
lilpokfluf2 votesdude veigar has 3 skill shots and a point and click ult. If you build a banshees he CAN NOT 1 shot you as yasuo unless he has an obscene amount of AP.
Hyranoune1 votesHm, yasuo can counter every veigar skills. ALL OF THEM. Q and R? Windwall render them void. W and E? You dash out many times anytime like yasuo does.
