What would we do to Liandry's?

Souijinn·10/3/2015, 7:33:25 AM·1 votes·912 views

I've heard some complaints about it being to weak, with no flat damage to serve its purpose well. But then there's who makes a fiery minefield and many other DOT type champs make it nearly overbearing.

However what are some ideas to do with it? It burns 2% current health for 3 seconds. That's a given, but if it had flat damage, what would make it non-negligible nor make it overbearing against champs that do not have health items built.

I thought about it having .1 AP scaling, and with 1000 AP you would only burn 33 health per tick, but then you have to consider refresh rates and it might burn more than intended on top of the shred.

What would make not too weak against what its built against, and not too strong against the others?

4 Comments

dannykun10/3/2015, 7:50:35 AM1 votes

Honestly as it is it's in a fairly weak state, it's the Pen that really gets you when you step on a mine, and teemo's really the only one who would consider liandry's over abyssal for a straight pen item. 2% current health is only huge when you're health is at it's max, after you hit the 50% mark the damage starts to hit that negligable zone. It's really only Teemo that has the naturally occuring slow that lasts for most of the duration of his shrooms damage that causes the dot to refresh multiple times and deal a lot of doubled damage from the long slow. The only other real dot in the game is malz's Ebola (yes I'm calling it ebola on purpose as it's most highly infectious at the moment of death) but even he refuses to use it despite the absolutely annoying refresh rate he'd get on that. Giving it flat damage will have it compete with luden's for that burst damage boost, and a lot of dot champs like cass and malz would become exceedingly opressive just on the sheer damage output they'd be able to put out from short dots that don't deal much as of this moment.

My advice to you, get sweepers and upgrade it if it annoys you that much, it's a very easy shutdown.

Old Man Teeto10/3/2015, 7:58:57 AM1 votes

Burst or control style mages are played currently.

Azir/Vlad are the exception and they have fairly specialized builds.

Things like Lulu/Orianna want CDR and raw AP, they don't care for health and some burn damage.

Rumble is the only person who this item should be core on and we've seen what one rumble game? And it was Mejai's first item rush by SKT.

I feel the item could use a more powerful universal effect, say reducing MR on the target by 1 for each tick of damage, and reducing the raw AP the item gives back to it's former 50. This makes the item powerful on consistent damage dealers in longer fights (Rumble, Cassio, Karthus etc) while not making it good for burst/control mages who aren't able to get the stacks to efficiently high levels.

DrNova10/3/2015, 5:01:33 PM1 votes

I never hardly notice the burn when using it or hit by it. Its pretty pathetic for a passive. Needs to do more damage are like another two seconds to burn