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Nasus is in a bad spot in my opinion.

ChibiKamisama··2 votes·941 views

I know juggernauts are supposed to be slow and short ranged, but with Nasus, he currently has big weaknesses that is abused to quite a few levels compared to other top laners in general. I know Nasus is a tank, has 10% lifesteal thanks to his passive, and can do tons of damage, but i feel like he is basically very easy to poke and hit and run with. He has no way of poking or trading pokes, besides using his e, but does little damage and wastes mana. Secondly, since he is slow, he can just get easily get harassed by ranged top laners who can just poke Nasus obnoxiously, like Xerath, Gangplank, Ekko, or a few champions who aren't usually top like Jhin (I know Jhin is rarely top, but he can harrass hard.) The poking that Nasus can receive from certain champions can go so bad, that Nasus cant even farm or stack his Q or even go NEAR the minions without being poked to death. The damage he receives can potentially out weight the amount of health he receives from life steal. Nasus currently struggles against a lot of match ups and he just falls off more compared to some other top laners.

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EndlessSorcerer5 votes
  1. Nasus having weak trades early-game is entirely intentional
  2. Nasus has a montrous mid-game if you can farm semi-competently.
  3. Nasus prioritizes CDR and resistance items, making his sustain far more valuable.

Nasus is not a tank; he's a fighter. Fighters are a threat to the enemy team primarily due to their damage; tanks are a threat to the enemy team primarily due to their utility.

Nasus is one of the best scaling top laners in the game. While he does fall off a little after mid-game against competent teams, he is by no means weak.

I'm sorry if this comes off as rude or condescending, but this is definitely an issue on your end. Nasus is quite strong in the hands of a competent player at most stages of the game and can survive early-game against most opponents fairly easily if you play the lane correctly.

ChibiKamisama1 votes

No, its ok, i totally understand. I think it's probably all in my head for all i know. I faced a couple off-meta champions that went top lane, but those certain champion could bully nasus hard. I also do agree he has one of the best scaling in the game. Again, maybe its just me

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

Unless you are on a smurf account, you are only level 12 and still learning the game.

I would recommend you focus more on improving your personal play and game knowledge before contributing to balance discussions.

I don't say this to be mean or dismissive, but this is a game with a high burden of knowledge and experience to properly understand and evaluate champion balance. Even in the higher tiers of play, many still struggle with it.

There are many, many champions who can bully hard early-game. Part of being a good Nasus player involves knowing how to survive and thrive in those match-ups, which typically involves certain game knowledge (regarding trading and minion wave management) than new players typically lack (unless they are coming into the game from another MOBA).

If you want to improve playing Nasus (or the game in general), I would recommend you watch high-ELO players on stream or Youtube, listen to their advice and try to think about why they make certain decisions or actions.

Some good streamers that I would recommend are:

  • Top Lane: Dyrus, SoloRenektonOnly, Sirhcez
    • Sirhcez is a Nasus main, so he would be good if you want to learn how to play him
  • Jungle: Valkrin, Meteos, Nightblue3, Stonewall008, Foxdrop
  • Mid: Scarra, Bjergsen,
  • Other: HuzzyGames, Anklespankin, CaptainMonkHD, GordanRamseyGaming
    • HuzzyGames is currently playing primarily top/jungle/mid and he's one of my favourite streamers. I would highly recommend him since he tries to teach players a lot about the game.

I don't generally watch ADC or Support streamers, so sadly I can't really comment on which are good teachers.

ChibiKamisama1 votes

Ok, i get that your giving me advice, thanks for that. But the thing is, i am NOT lv 12 nor on a smurf account. I am not saying that you are, but you seem to be jumping the gun that i don't know the very basics of the game, that i lack experience and knowledge of the game. On a different note, i DO know how this game works, alot of knowledge of it, and how balancing works in each patch, and etc. Also, i do focus on improving my personal game and i play quite a lot. I am not one of those people who put more time on complaining rather than learning. I actually do the complete opposite. Again, thank you for your advice. P.s. I don't really want to escalate this into a argument or anything like that, and i am really busy with stuff right now.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

I used na.op.gg to check your level and match history and it had apparently not been renewed in a while.

I suppose I based the rest of my suggestions off of that initial information and came off as a bit condescending.

My apologies.

ChibiKamisama1 votes

Its ok, i understand. :)

Ravenous Howls1 votes

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Ok, i get that your giving me advice, thanks for that. But the thing is, i am NOT lv 12 nor on a smurf account. I am not saying that you are, but you seem to be jumping the gun that i don't know the very basics of the game, that i lack experience and knowledge of the game. On a different note, i DO know how this game works, alot of knowledge of it, and how balancing works in each patch, and etc. Also, i do focus on improving my personal game and i play quite a lot. I am not one of those people who put more time on complaining rather than learning. I actually do the complete opposite. Again, thank you for your advice. P.s. I don't really want to escalate this into a argument or anything like that, and i am really busy with stuff right now.

I would recommend you look at Carnarius' build post here on the boards. His build is actually excellent and he has a lot of experience with Nasus. I deviate slightly by taking armor or MR quints and take hybrid reds but that is personal preference. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/gZmr7LYA-nasus-tutorial-all-basic-information-you-want-to-know-about-the-champion

The best thing is to forget the FH and TF build this season. Realistically you are going to be counter picked and will not have the gold income to build those two items fast enough. IBG to SV is much more efficient for the quicker games. Not to mention IBG helps you cap CDR really fast and it brings more utility into team fights with the slow zone. Also don't be afraid to take items that are bit off core. Sunfire Cape and ZZ'Rot are surprisingly good items on Nasus in the right match up.

Nasus is not overly oppressive but he's not overly under powered either. Being flexible and wave manipulation are the most important aspects of playing Nasus. Though I do agree they could give a him a few minor tweaks like giving him back his 700 range on wither, giving him some better base stat increases per level or letting him start with his 20% life steal at lvl 1 again.

EcchiOtakuTM2 votes

They need to cap nasus' stacks at like 300-500 and make every "x" amount of stacks give a bonus effects like the sated devourer rework, farming nasus is boring.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

If a Nasus is even moderately competent, a minimally stacked Q can heal back even Jayce level poke.

ChibiKamisama1 votes

I mean champions that can bully nasus, im not saying it's every top champion. Nasus can do fine against champions that doesn't bully him too hard.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Jayce is a ranged poke champ, exactly the type you say punish someone like Nasus.

ChibiKamisama1 votes

I did not mention Jayce in my reply, although i do know Jayce is Semi-ranged and can poke. Thanks for telling me anyways! :)

Varys of Lys 1 votes

Thing is with susan...

He's supposed to farm early

Buff his early game too much and he is a terror not only late game if he has managed to farm, but also in lane

ChibiKamisama1 votes

I see where your coming from. I know if you buff nasus, he would be too good. But how good a champion is at late game depends on how good you are at late game. Nasus, on the other hand, doesn't exactly has the best laning phase/early game. So yeah, nasus is in a sort of a complicated situation. Btw, it is just my opinion, and feel free to correct me if i am wrong

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

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he can just get easily get harassed by ranged top laners who can just poke Nasus obnoxiously, like Xerath, Gangplank, Ekko

when was Xerath a top laner

Bellows1 votes

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when was Xerath a top laner

I've seen some shit..... O.O

ChibiKamisama1 votes

I didn't mean to put xerath there, although i did experience that match up before. To be honest, it is a rare case scenario in retrospect :/

ChibiKamisama1 votes

Oh shoot, i didn't mean to put xerath there. Although, i faced a Xerath that went to top while i was using nasus, but xerath poked hard.

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