Vlad is bullshit. And here's why:

Gare Jordans·Jul 1, 2015·11 votes·2,671 views

You can absolutely shit on him during laning phase. You could kill the fucker six times, but once he gets WotA or Hextech, then suddenly he's unkillable with the sustain.

You could be demolishing him all game, but god forbid a team fight happens, then he becomes a 1v3 monster built pure AP.

No matter what you do, you can't kill him without having 2-3 of your teammates with you after level 9 due to the fact that he can build full AP and still get 3k max health off of his AP.

21 Comments

ZydinJul 1, 20153 votes

Swain. That is all.

Gare JordansJul 1, 20151 votes

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Swain. That is all.

That's the only counter people ever can counter my argument with. There's an issue with champion balance if only one champion can counter another champion.

Oh, and I'd buy a Morellonomicon. That is all.

KONO RUBICK DAJul 1, 20151 votes

not only swain::

Fiddlesticks Chogath while maxing silence

any bruisers with dps such as : Olaf Jax Irelia

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but now, riot buffed spellvamp it's pretty much gg

YumaS2AstralJul 2, 20152 votes

None of those champions are actual counters

Swain? Mana reliant, weak early game, can be countered by stacking magic resistance

Fiddlesticks? Vulnerable to ganks and squishy.

Cho'Gath? You outsustain him.

Olaf? You can easily kite him and outscale him.

Jax? You outsustain him.

Irelia? A smart Vlad can shit on her during the lane phase.

Oliver TristJul 2, 20151 votes

err.. as someone who plays Vlad a lot probably the only lanes I find difficult are Chogath/Riven/Swain. Chogath clears the waves too fast and so vlad cant poke him eith his spells. Also chogath has his own sustain so he can really sit in lane practically forever and just keep pushing it up. Swain is strong against him and doesnt go oom so much because of his passive but he pushes slow so if Vlad can push Swain to tower swain will be too busy last hitting creeps to actually go on the aggresive. against riven is the same as going against Jax/Irelia. The lane itself isnt that hard if you sit back and farm up and poke when u can. Vlad can go practically even in any lane when he's played right as I think most champions in this game are able to do

EchoBlueJul 2, 20151 votes

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None of those champions are actual counters

Swain? Mana reliant, weak early game, can be countered by stacking magic resistance

Fiddlesticks? Vulnerable to ganks and squishy.

Cho'Gath? You outsustain him.

Olaf? You can easily kite him and outscale him.

Jax? You outsustain him.

Irelia? A smart Vlad can shit on her during the lane phase.

Your so wrong on cho'gath and Irelia.

Irelia is a counter to Vlad, just read your comment "A SMART VLAD" which means normal vlads arn't effective. Irelia's stuns easily prevent vlads sustain, and the true damage makes things that much more difficult because vlad's early game is weak. Cho'gath will easily shut vlad down. Vlad has no percent damage and cho'gath usually gets tanky. Plus a silence, and slow, with true damage ult that goes up to a 1000 true damage. Cho'gath also out sustains Vlad in technicality cause Vlad has cool downs, cho'gath heals on minion death. If Cho'gath were to wait till vlad used q and e then silenced him and slowed. Cho'gath would technically win trades.

IpolsJul 1, 20153 votes

"I can't play Vs a champ so I think they'll nerf him for me." He's a bit too strong maybe (I don't know) but it's not like you make it look like

KONO RUBICK DAJul 1, 20152 votes

weird that i never saw a vlad 1v3 once he had wota.

Hec, i didn't even see a vlad 1v3 at full build (when his enemies wasn't behind).

Sir YamazukiJul 2, 20151 votes

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weird that i never saw a vlad 1v3 once he had wota.

Hec, i didn't even see a vlad 1v3 at full build (when his enemies wasn't behind).

Well, if whether we see it or not determines anything, I had a vlad on my team get a pentakill 1v5 a week or 2 ago.

Player of GamesJul 1, 20153 votes

If you beat Vlad early, and I mean beat him down good in lane, there's no way he should come back unless YOU let him comeback. As a Vladimir main I played a game recently against a stacked team of Diamonds in teambuilder, their shaco literally camped me for the first 6 minutes of the game. As soon as I got back to lane to CS I was already getting ganked, wound up going 1-5 or something like that, and was set really far behind. Thing is, I roamed botlane, got a double kill, and came back with Ionians+Wota and became really strong.

You have to understand and respect champions powerspikes, level 9 is a big one for vlad, as well as finishing WOTA and having a good bit of CDR. It doesn't matter if he's already behind you at that point, that is where he gets a NOTICEABLE spike in damage/efficiency, if you don't care to respect that Vlad will always have an easy time bouncing back.

Also you seem to be complaining a lot about the fact that he gets loads of free health, meanwhile ANY good mage that can utilitze Liandries will dumpster him constantly. Azir does very well against Vladimir. Laning phase is sketchy because with enough MS Vlad can bypass his Q for harass, but after that Azir has enough CDR and damage to put a dent in him. Brand shits on Vlad hands down. Only way Vlad wins is if Brand misses something vital or gets outplayed, even then his passive combined with Liandries (not even including Rylai's) means you only have to hit Conflagrate to do a ton of damage.

There are a lot of ways to stop and work around Vlad, I will agree though, as a Vlad player he can be very obnoxious especially if he gets ahead in the slightest, but his early game is delicate and you must abuse his cooldown windows before he caps out on CDR. All in him, Vlad loves short trades, you need to be in his face blowing him up whenever possible, do not let the pressure down.

rG ThundragJul 1, 20152 votes

Darius Will relatively destroy vlad throughout the entire game if you pull him he has to run and get harassed by autos and q or pool and lose 20% his hp so its a lose-lose scenario

Olaf If you land an axe he has to run and even if he pools you can just pick up the axe again and throw it at him while you also have a sizeable amount of sustain yourself.

Garen Max q and just auto vlad to death he won't be able to defend himself and eventually you'll just all in ignite + ult

Mandang0Jul 1, 20151 votes

replace vlad with any ad top and wota with hydra and it's just as true.

LuggJul 1, 20151 votes

That is the problem with several champions right now. You can play perfectly and totally dominate them, but come mid/late game, it doesn't matter at all. That's why I laugh at these so called high risk/high reward champs. They always get the high reward, all you can do is delay it a bit.

3tysonJul 1, 20151 votes

I say kat amumu is more bulshit

Midder ScrayJul 1, 20151 votes

There are several champs that need nerfed before Vlad

Teemo Ahri Ekko (still) Diana

Zair UmbrasJul 1, 20151 votes

If they just removed the health from AP thing but kept him at getting AP from health, he'd be fine. No one's passive works both ways. Singed doesn't get mana from health on top of health from mana or Galio get MR from AP like he gets AP from MR. Considering his insane amount of sustain, he really doesn't need health from AP.

EchoBlueJul 2, 20152 votes

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If they just removed the health from AP thing but kept him at getting AP from health, he'd be fine. No one's passive works both ways. Singed doesn't get mana from health on top of health from mana or Galio get MR from AP like he gets AP from MR. Considering his insane amount of sustain, he really doesn't need health from AP.

So you want him to have a useless passive? I mean you lets take this into perspective. 1000 health = 25 ap if you use the passive for only health. You see how stupid that is. Why do you think no one plays hp vlad?

Zair UmbrasJul 2, 20151 votes

Seen Fiora's passive? Rammus's passive? Heimer, Jayce, Nunu, MF's when she's doing anything that isn't walking to lane, Zilean's... Like... He wouldn't be the first with a near useless passive. lol.

Oliver TristJul 1, 20151 votes

Vlad has extremely low range and has a very predictable kit. While true he gets really strong when he gets ahead, theres still a lot of counterplay when going against him. You need to respect him and you need to kite him. tell your support early in the game to get a locket. And abuse the fact that he has no cc. Moreso than most other champs when someone dies to Vlad its the players fault for staying in lane too long for cs and just not respecting Vlads all in. just play around him and respect his powerspike (lv 9.) and you can still win. Also look at the Vlads build. Some players like to go tanky vlad and the damage isn't always there. Others like to go pure ap (as i do) and are always surprised by the damage he dishes out in his full rotation. Basically, look at his items and atttempt to analyze the damage he is capable of. If he's full ap and youre sitting at your tower at half health he is going to dive you