CAN U NERF KAYLE?

FallingForYou··28 votes·10,194 views

For example, I won top 7-0, our bot won their lane 15-2 in my last game, we had 3 infernals and total score was about 40-15. Then Kyle reached 16 and the game was over. She took pentakil like nothing. Her ult lasts forever...Eventually, we lost because whe was able to one-shot 3 of us like nothing even with no build. THE GAME IS NO FUN ANYMORE

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Kalikain10 votes

I don't understand the downvotes, kayle is too overtuned late game.

FallingForYou12 votes

She is useless early and then unkillable who can carry whole team if u don't end before she hits 16. There should be some ballance to make her usefull on early, yet weaker on late

DontLewdOrianna13 votes

Shes not even useless early game tho

Z3Sleeper7 votes

This. Everyone complaining about level 16 when early game Kayle is just safe af while also being a poke monster. She has bad matchups, but they're avoided by simply not picking her unless the opponent picks an immobile melee champ. Then it's a free win.

But that's top lane in general right now. Oh you picked an immobile melee before I picked? I'll just pick one of the plethora of viable top ranged champions that can both poke you out and straight duel you half the time while having tools to say screw your aggression Kennen Jayce Neeko Cassiopeia Vayne Ryze .

Top lane is a fun time.

xAcidik1 votes

Yeah she's definitely not useless early. She can play safe af, has good poke (though if she uses it to poke she can't use it to farm so it's a trade-off for sure), and her only downside is bad all-ins and a lack of mobility.

But yeah top lane is mostly decided based on "who picked first" and "did the second pick own/play a decent counter" because it tends to be an island without ganks (understandably so for sure, considering many top laners don't really fall behind to the point of uselessness, and all ADCs and most midlaners can, and macro reasons too).

LordGeovanni1 votes

or these melee bullies that can chunk you and you cant do anything about it or retaliate when their spells are down because they dont go down for long Garen Darius DrMundo Rumble Kassadin LeeSin Tryndamere Yasuo Warwick

Stars Shaper6 votes

Kayle can't oneshot for shizzle, her dps is fast but is reactable and the issue is that she wins trades and enables high damage team mates with her ult.

I'm sorry though but if you were 7/0 and 15/2 on botlane than you had all the means to keep kayle under focus, she suffers burst and CCs because of how squishy she is, I think that the major issue was that you didn't care to keep her in check and ultimately lost because of it. Hypercarries need to be checked in place until you win, that's how it works.

Edit:

I took a look at your match history and what I noticed is that your enemies also had a 11/4 Veigar and a lot of CCs while your only hard CC were you with Vel'koz and Braum (which can be easily avoided), they had Thresh, Jarvan and Veigar all of which can synergize pretty well. You had a game-winning teamfight right before their comeback and yet all you achieved was one inibitor out of it with Khazix and Vayne still alive. Then you go Elder while the enemies picked a Baron, I don't know if your team split but you did the wrong choice or you got outplayed. The fights after are a big reason you lost, you focused down the unfed enemies while letting Veigar have his way which in combo with a lategame Kayle is a death sentence.

manolis2014 votes

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Kayle can't oneshot for shizzle, her dps is fast but is reactable and the issue is that she wins trades and enables high damage team mates with her ult.

I'm sorry though but if you were 7/0 and 15/2 on botlane than you had all the means to keep kayle under focus, she suffers burst and CCs because of how squishy she is, I think that the major issue was that you didn't care to keep her in check and ultimately lost because of it. Hypercarries need to be checked in place until you win, that's how it works.

More like she does 700 dmg with her 2.30 attack speed and can demolish towers in an instant her attack speed growth should be lowered she killed my jungler and mid and adc LOL.

Stars Shaper2 votes

Still isn't a oneshot. I was explicitly nitpicking, it's true, but argument with fallacies as base won't hold.

I also specified that the issue is that her dps is really fast (I should have emphasized that probably) and that you can't out trade her after 16.

She has her weaknesses though, I have faced her and played enough times to have a clear vision of that. Doesn't change though the the OP team was at fault for both not capitalizing their advantage into a fast win nor keeping a squishy, under equipped carry under check.

Z3Sleeper3 votes

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Kayle can't oneshot for shizzle

AP Kayle can

xAcidik1 votes

You gotta admit the idea that you could have thrown. I didn't look like the other guy cuz I'm lazy, but if your team was as far ahead as you say, the win was yours.

DuceLaSiberia1 votes

I took a look at your match history and what I noticed is that your enemies also had a 11/4 Veigar and a lot of CCs while your only hard CC were you with Vel'koz and Braum (which can be easily avoided), they had Thresh, Jarvan and Veigar all of which can synergize pretty well. You had a game-winning teamfight right before their comeback and yet all you achieved was one inibitor out of it with Khazix and Vayne still alive. Then you go Elder while the enemies picked a Baron, I don't know if your team split but you did the wrong choice or you got outplayed. The fights after are a big reason you lost, you focused down the unfed enemies while letting Veigar have his way which in combo with a lategame Kayle is a death sentence.

Hmmm Thresh and Death sentence in the same post. Coincidence I think not!

Stars Shaper2 votes

I swear it was unintended xD

TheGreatNinx4 votes

I mean she is geting nerfed. She has been receiving nerfs every patch and next patch she is also receiving nerfs as well including the nerf to skill point you can get from klepto. Now vayne and riven haven't been touched.

Bears Dont Care3 votes

Very sure her jnvincibility is 1 second shorter

Saianna2 votes

It's still 2 seconds longer than her opponents being alive near her after lvl 16

Kaìju1 votes

It's still 2 to 3 seconds but she has a 2 second animation so at max rank she only gets one second to fight while untouchable.

Nameless Drifter2 votes

Kayle has a super fragile health bar. You can easily kill her if you just pick her off. Her Early game is also ridiculously weak. Even if she gets 16, she needs a team to protect her.

AetherArising2 votes

You ignore her large self-heal and invincibility ult, the fact that she has range, her heal allows her a large speedup to kite, and has an AoE slow ability.

Nameless Drifter1 votes

Im not ignoring that. Her ult makes her unable to cast spells and auto attack during its process which is a big weakness of her especially in lane. Her heal is not maxed in lane btw, so its largely useless. Her Q slow is hardly ever stopping something like a riven or a Renekton, Yasuo, Olaf, Yorock to reach you and kill you

Lovelle1 votes

It's bad design that she gets to completely save an ally from death, while also becoming the highest priority dps on her team. As long as whoever is playing her has the basics of this game down, you basically can't shut her down.

Not being at least 5/0 over Kayle, in the first 15 minutes, is the same as being behind. The only exception is if you're also playing a hard-scaling champion.

Sinister Anubis1 votes

Kayles late game will not be touched. SHe is terrible in pro and upper elo cause games dont last that long. She is also being nerf next patch gutting her armor AS growth and AD she will not be able to cs in lane walk up to minions and her late game AS is going to be much slower, also they removing how klepto works with her passive.

Krys Star1 votes

Kayle AD lowered from 52 to 50 Armor lowered from 28 to 26 Attack speed ratio lowered from .695 to .667 Divine Ascent (Passive) ranks are now based on Kayle's level rather than skill points

Granted, they're just love tap nerfs. But... it's kind of something. Not really...

SweedishGunner1 votes

Said it before and I'll say it again, she is poorly designed, the rework was done poorly. A ranged, autoattack based hyper carry with true damage and an invulnerability will never work.

Frog goes moo1 votes

they are nerfing her

AirKingNeo1 votes

nerf Kleptomancy, not Kayle

NemeBro1 votes

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nerf Kleptomancy, not Kayle

Nerf klepto? No.

Remove klepto. It's contributions to the game have all been negative.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Why didn't you end the game exactly? Sounds like you got outscaled.

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