Riot, Why do you hate vision wards?

Glath Wiermind·3/2/2018, 7:53:32 AM·23 votes·5,043 views

So, you get rid of sightstone, and then gate it behind Gold generation items, which you'll get at about 10 minutes, maybe sooner if you're doing well, and now you remove Tracker's Knife. Do you just despise vision wards so much that you want to remove any way of getting them out? what next? you remove trinkets from the game?

52 Comments

RiotRiotRepertoir3/3/2018, 2:07:22 AM13 votes

We don't hate vision. We think vision is more interesting (makes it more fun) for players when it is in limited supply.

Jamaree3/2/2018, 8:01:44 AM13 votes

Because long ago, in a distance past, wards were the outright best item in the game, bar none. Games dragged on forever because you couldn't catch people out, you couldn't gank as effectively past early game, you couldn't set up to make plays because literal entire sections of the map were lit up like a christmas tree.

Personally, I liked that, fucked getting ganked, but it made for less then entertaining games to watch so nixed the vision was.

Scary Door3/2/2018, 3:22:04 PM10 votes

This is just part of the way Riot wants their game to go. Vision can, to an extent, help a team that is behind. Even if it is a minor mitigation, more vision could help to prevent snowballing... but Riot clearly likes faster games with more one-sides matches. They may claim that they don't want their game to devolve into what it has become but their actions would suggest otherwise.

Jack Garrus3/2/2018, 3:16:30 PM9 votes

Well u have: item 3361 item 2056 when u take Klepto, item 3905 that finds 2 enemies, item 2055 , item 3364 for 20 sec, the poro zombies and that one that replace a dead ward with a visible trinket when u take Domi. In addition to some AoE spells that gives u vision like Lux E, Ashe W, ecc... You have a lot of vision.

DuskDaUmbreon3/2/2018, 5:27:13 PM5 votes

Because Zombie and Ghost poro exist. Because many more vision abilities exist.

Because the support item might be slightly slower, but it's significantly faster at any time when you'd need to or would rush something before sightstone, which most people did.

Is it technically slower in potential circumstances? Yes. But it's also faster in real ones.

Frooster3/2/2018, 5:45:32 PM3 votes

They have the Delusional hope that an NA team will eventually beat Korea if they remove all the vision from the game. Quite sad.

BALDG1VEN BOOMER3/2/2018, 1:01:52 PM3 votes

They didn’t want supports to be vision bots like before yet they removed almost every adequate available vision from the game.

Rootlo3/2/2018, 8:00:44 PM2 votes

Its just funny how they release stats and want us to ward when every season they nerf Vision a little more. They removed Green wards, removed pink wards ( replaced with red so ehh) Nerfed the yellow trinket horribly, removed sight stone, nerfed blue trinket horribly, removed trackers knife. They wanted to move away from supports being a ward bot but now they are the only class with reliable access to wards. Since they removed trackers knife they should at least revert the Yellow trinket changes

Marshbouy3/2/2018, 10:23:45 PM1 votes

Because it results in extremely boring LCS games where nothing happens because both teams know where everyone is at almost all times.

Somebody Love Me3/2/2018, 9:09:14 PM1 votes

They're also removing bandit, so supports get even less gold on their items, thus getting their wards a bit later.

Alpha777Omega3/3/2018, 6:49:48 AM1 votes

nothing to do with wards but your graphics are total shittt

lolipopevelynn3/3/2018, 3:53:55 PM1 votes

i remember when you could buy and place an unlimited amount of green wards. played janna or raka or nami and just gave literal map hacks to your entire team. you didnt have to actually support anyone. if all you did the entire game was go 0/0/0 but placed 200+ wards during that game you were winning the game.

believe it or not, i actually find that kind of gameplay fun as a old time RTS starcraft and starcraft 2 zerg player. it allowed for literal map control and map manipulation. vision and denying vision was a strategy game itself and you could control the enemy teams movements based on that vision and vision denial. I kind of hope riot releases a champion that has a direct influence over the MAP itself. those that play zagara or abathur in HoTS know what im talking about. its real strategy that leads to wins in a different way compared to just brute forcing your way down a lane thru one shotting people in team vs team death balls.