Riot, we want Caitlyn back!

Barrett M107··5 votes·2,312 views

Hello Caitlyn mains!

As you all know riot has ruined Caitlyn.

I am here to talk about how we can get her back and, if you are not a Caitlyn main, inform you why what they did was wrong.

Content:

  1. What we can do
  2. Removed Machanics
  3. What I think the problem is about her current state

1. What we can do

I need your help Caitlyn mains! If we want Caitlyn to be playable again we need to get Riots attention and I tell you how we can get this:

  • Upvote all the threads about Caitlyns gutting
  • Upvote / Downvote the comments on these threads
  • Comment these threads
  • Create your own threads / videos etc. about this problem
  • Stop play Caitlyn

I know stopping to play Caitlyn seems counter intuitive but think about it, if we all were to stop playing Caitlyn and she had a playrate of 0%, don't you think Riot would understand we do not accept this!

2. Removed Machanics

So Riot has removed 4 mechanics, including:

  • Headshotting while flying back in your e
  • Cancelling headshots with other headshots
  • When cancelling a passive headshot with another passive headshots you would aquire the ability to do 2 quick autoattacks. If the first one is a headshot you will do 4 headshots in a row

However they only mentioned two.... I am really mad [zombie-brand-clap]

3. What I think the problem is about her current state

All of these mechanics were available since the Caitlyn rework and used by pros (except the last) for years.

With these mechanics removed the most important Caitlyn combo of trapping a cc'd target and then e headshot autoattack cancelling twice. Apart from that nearly half of the caitlyn combo's and mechanics were removed.

You practiced these combos for hours, too, havent you?

With half of Caitlyns combos removed her skill expression is just next to zero now!

So basically all of the mains will stop playing her and nobody will pick her up.

Also what I find outragous about how Riot has treated Caitlyn is that when Riven players were using unintened mechics they declared them as intended and did nothing about it. That is just plain unfair!

As for me I won't play League until her skill-expression is back to 10.1.

Thank you for your attention!

Edit:

I think I kind of complained about the wrong things. What is bugging me is not that she is too weak now or something. I just think it is a pity that Riot removed those mechanics and not gave Caitlyn new ones :(

13 Comments

Silly Neeko4 votes

This post is so painfully wrong my brain is literally hurting from trying to figure out what to address first....

  1. You will never have 0 playrate on cait, and nobody will actually do it, because it literally makes no sense.

  2. She was not "gutted" she was fixed. If her auto while net was removed, then that isnt much of a problem persay to put back.... from the sounds of things you are saying that if you had a headshot up and you did that then instead of 1 or 2 shots it becomes 4? That is a problem. I have seen a video with her that someone literally did 3 headshots and 3 non headshots in a row in what looked to be the animation of 2 autos. THAT is a problem. Her Q procing head shot which it is literally NOT supposed to do? That is a problem.

  3. Apart from those two things.... I am not sure you even have a clue what you are talking about. Especially adding in the Riven, which honestly is one of the silliest comparisons ive seen and it has been said everywhere like some fad. The closer comparison would be Jhin ultimate being able to rapid fire all 4 shots. Riven's auto animation canceling? It doesnt double or triple auto attacks. It just makes them a bit faster. Most of her kit etc is move combos which literally every champion has. That is like saying Alistar should not be able to knock up in his headbutt or someone cant cleanse while being Thresh Lanterned in order to not be pulled by Blitzcrank/Thresh/Nautilus etc.

Barrett M1072 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZEWw0zH3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2020-01-30T22:23:35.419+0000)

This post is so painfully wrong my brain is literally hurting from trying to figure out what to address first....

  1. You will never have 0 playrate on cait, and nobody will actually do it, because it literally makes no sense.

  2. She was not "gutted" she was fixed. If her auto while net was removed, then that isnt much of a problem persay to put back.... from the sounds of things you are saying that if you had a headshot up and you did that then instead of 1 or 2 shots it becomes 4? That is a problem. I have seen a video with her that someone literally did 3 headshots and 3 non headshots in a row in what looked to be the animation of 2 autos. THAT is a problem. Her Q procing head shot which it is literally NOT supposed to do? That is a problem.

  3. Apart from those two things.... I am not sure you even have a clue what you are talking about. Especially adding in the Riven, which honestly is one of the silliest comparisons ive seen and it has been said everywhere like some fad. The closer comparison would be Jhin ultimate being able to rapid fire all 4 shots. Riven's auto animation canceling? It doesnt double or triple auto attacks. It just makes them a bit faster. Most of her kit etc is move combos which literally every champion has. That is like saying Alistar should not be able to knock up in his headbutt or someone cant cleanse while being Thresh Lanterned in order to not be pulled by Blitzcrank/Thresh/Nautilus etc.

Thank you for taking the time to read all this, you are right, I should have used the conjunctive. Also, can you send me that Video? I am sure that was not the case. Also her Q procing headshot? I have never seen this and I believe you yourself do not know what you are talking about.

Also I am not asking Riot to revert all the changes, for example I think that the machine gun headsot combo (where you do 1 extra auto attack) is not a good mechanic for her. On the other hand, her main combo (explained above) which does not give you anything you do not have, but just cancels autoattacks should not be removed. Removing it is like removing Jax's auto attack cancel.

Silly Neeko1 votes

https://youtu.be/arpp1-INFaM at 1:15 is one version, but the one I am refering to happens just after it. There is a few versions of the machine gun caitlyn mechanic but this one is the one that was being fixed.

Otherwise, I have not seen much else different with her gameplay and she is still out bullying most adcs and supports in lane. So I would have to see what exactly was taken away apart from her.

Barrett M1071 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZEWw0zH3,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-31T00:00:03.222+0000)

https://youtu.be/arpp1-INFaM at 1:15 is one version, but the one I am refering to happens just after it. There is a few versions of the machine gun caitlyn mechanic but this one is the one that was being fixed.

Otherwise, I have not seen much else different with her gameplay and she is still out bullying most adcs and supports in lane. So I would have to see what exactly was taken away apart from her.

Lol the guy is bad, I was ablo to do 4 head shots in a row XD Also that was just 1 extra autoattack, this guy was full build and so the last autoattack was a normal one. And then 2 were from her passive headshot. So basically just 1 unintended autoattack. Also her q does not proc headshot?!?!

Silly Neeko1 votes

The guy was 3 attack speed items and the last 3 shots (i mentioned watching just after the one at 1:15. If you read my message at all that is.) Plus, they were not saving up their headshot for 4 headshots in a row.... they were simply showing what was going on.

That said, it was only 3 attack speed items, and therefore the attack speed was probably around 1.64-1.76 range. Her firing those 3 autos was not due to just the attack speed. There was too small of a gap inbetween the front and last auto in the sequence of 3 regular autos.

Also, No. The Q is supposed to do full damage to a target even when behind minions if someone gets trapped or whatever. It is not supposed to give a headshot, which is reserved for W and E as they increase the range too. Q does not reset, or give, an auto or a headshot.

Support Position3 votes

Finally some good nerfs to the most broken ranged champion in lane, mid and late game? Thank god. Dont have to perm ban anymore. Feels good.

Barrett M1071 votes

[{quoted}](name=Support Position,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZEWw0zH3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2020-01-31T11:39:01.558+0000)

Finally some good nerfs to the most broken ranged champion in lane, mid and late game? Thank god. Dont have to perm ban anymore. Feels good.

I agree she was overtuned but I just miss the hard mechanics... You actually think that nerf affects you

GFREEMEN1 votes

Riot we want OPAF Akali back

Riot we want OPAF Kalista back

Riot we want OPAF Fizz back

Riot we want OPAF Ekko back oh wait nm

Barrett M1072 votes

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I don't want them to make her stronger, I want them to make her a hard champion again.

Saezio1 votes

Cait isn't that bad. 49,5% winrate with 17,5% pickrate in D+ is way better than many ADCs could ever hope for

Barrett M1071 votes

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Cait isn't that bad. 49,5% winrate with 17,5% pickrate in D+ is way better than many ADCs could ever hope for

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Caitlyn is still really good. Look at her winrate and how high her pickrate is.

I think I somehow failed to convey what exactly is bugging me. I don't think she is too, weak. I think she is mechanically too easy and therefore boring to play for me item 3070

vgamedude1 votes

Caitlyn is still really good. Look at her winrate and how high her pickrate is.

Waka FIocka1 votes

You're gonna have to accept the changes. Riot is pushing to close the skill expression gaps on many champions lately. Cait was one of those champs that was god tier in masterful hands -- very mechanically expressive with traps, passive, and her dash ontop of her high range. She was able to still go through with headshots while in stasis as well which was definitely a bug.. and was definitely abused while it lasted lol. Also noticed she would chain attacks and headshots and simply delete players in under 2 seconds ..

I don't know how many people you will find rallying for Cait to be brought back up in any way after she dominated with stormrazor for a while. She has her traps and she still seems good to me. She might not be broken OP anymore but she's still great. Akali is kindof in the same boat here too regarding dumbing down of mechanics.

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