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So if Riot doesn't want soloQ, can we atleast have two rankings for one queue?

webkr3b5··68 votes·4,053 views

Since Riot is just ignoring the issue, I guess they want to stick with dynamicQ only, probably fearing that it might fail if they reintroduce soloQ. I haven't played a game on my main in more than two weeks now. I really love this game though, and I don't want my interest in this game to die out like this.

Right now dynamicQ feels like ranking professional football teams and basketball teams together. Both games require a different skill set and ranking the teams on one ladder implies that their performance can be compared. How is Arsenal FC gonna compare to the LA Lakers? Nobody knows, they'll never play each other, since they play different games. Same thing with Summoner A who only plays solo and Summoner B who only plays in a party. Only that A will have to play with premades sometimes. Imagine Kobe Bryant having to play football against Arsenal. Silly.

What I propose is a solution similar to how DotA 2 did it, since they use dynamicQ without killing my enjoyment of the game - they have split MMRs in the same queue: soloMMR and partyMMR. Solo players can still get matched with and against 2- or 3-man premades (4-man premades are not allowed in DotA 2), but as long as they play solo they get a differentiated MMR. This is all it'd take to make dynamicQ attractive for me. Seeing how I match up against other solo players by making the best of random teammates, while pleasing the dynamic crowd by not removing solo players from dynamicQ. Ranks would mean a specific thing again instead of being vague.

Please, Riot.

I am really passionate about your game, but right now it is not for me anymore.

38 Comments

Oerba No Naja4 votes

ID%%% ABOUT WHAT RIOT THINKS SOLO Q AND 5V5 LADDER WAS FINE THEY TRIED TO FIX SOMETHING THAT WASNT BROKEN THEY FAILED DYNAMIC Q IS SHIT COMMUNITY WANT SOLO Q BECAUSE 2 DIFFERENT LADDER WAS THE BEST SO RIOT WILL RELEASE SOLO Q AND IF NOT , FCK THE LOGIC IM DONE RIOT IS KILLING THIS GAME .

LaserDeathBlade4 votes

Dynamic Queue is stupid

I literally just played a game with ~200 MMR difference on op.gg between the teams (4 plats 1 gold vs 3 gold 2 silver) due to whatever retarded algorithm DQ uses. Normally I don't care enough to look up MMR on these websites, but this game was just so ridiculously mismatched due to the 2 deadweight silver players that I had to see the underlying ranks.

warpenguin5553 votes

dynamic queue. even on paper it was a bad idea

Modmar2 votes

This is exactly how they were saying they were going to make YoloQ. Have separate MMR. But in the last couple days it looks like they've abandoned that idea to have the same MMR across the board. Since SoloQ can only have Solo players it won't really matter.

LaughingStapler2 votes

They said they would have a true solo que though. Don't you believe them?

I agree though, that until they do, it would at least be nice to see your solo ranking separately for DQ.

webkr3b56 votes

I initially believed them. Then they decided to delete all info about pure solo queue in the Ranked FAQ. (See here)

Karn Bishop1 votes

Thats a pity then, i only played ranked for solo Queue, guess its time to fully quit and invest into another game.

DR4G0NW0LF2 votes

I don't mind not having a pure soloQ, but I wish they would have a seperate ranking for 5 man premades again. Possibly even extend it to 4 man premades as well.

Imma Solo Baron2 votes

getting friends is easy, just go play blind pick or draft, add the best players you find, be friendly and add the friendliest. Then ask them to form a rinking team ask for curse, skype, or whatever voice chatt anyone has, now you can play a team of 5 and rank up...[slayer-jinx-wink]

edit: lol -2? people here is really toxic. I am not wrong about what I am saying. Is it bc im a lvl 17? lol This is a Smurf if you haven't noticed [zombie-brand-facepalm]

webkr3b51 votes

I have plenty of friends playing LoL as well. Mostly golds, some silver, one plat, one diamond. We played Teamranked pretty often last season, but I want to play solo in a soloQ. Or atleast have a solo rank.

Imma Solo Baron1 votes

I just dont get WHY would you mind a solo rank in a 5v5 team game?... If it would matter your individual rank THIS would have at least a 1v1Q, TEAMWORK OP!

AbyssionKnight2 votes

I assume there are a few reasons they're doing this. Not entirely sure what they are, but here's how I assume Riot is looking at it:

1) It makes queueing as a team more viable. You have more people to compete against, which not only speeds up queue times but also makes gives you access to play against all the best players.

2) It encourages teamwork If you're going up against premade teams, then you need to know how to effectively communicate and work with your team in order to continue climbing the ranks. This also makes being toxic even less appealing, since someone who refuses to communicate or who consistently breaks up team cohesion isn't going to improve much in ranking.

3) Helps improve the LCS Newbies. You hear all the time that the mentality and meta in solo queue is different from that of the pro scene. So you get stories about Solo queue players who are highly ranked, but do poorly as they struggle to adjust to a more controlled and team oriented environment. If ranked in general always requires a high degree of teamwork, then the adjustment period is smaller, which presumably should mean quicker adaptation and better games.

LOL Spammer2 votes

For all the americans confused out there, football =/= american football.

Ale non è male2 votes

{quoted} Both games require a different skill set and ranking the teams on one ladder implies that their performance can be compared. H

Nope. It is the same game, you don't need different skillset

It is not like you need to be a prick with a huge ego in soloQ or you can be highly succesasful by being horrendous mechanically wisein dynamicQ It is the same damn game, even when you'll get the solo Q, and you'll get it, you will still need to communicate with your team and take decision togethere

P.S Riot removed the info about SoloQ from the FAQ because then the "soloQ or nothing" fanbase would have started to asaukt them with a lot of annoying threads, rant, complains on the lines of "so riot are we going to get soloQ soon?" " como on rito, let's just activate soloQ", "when is soloQ staring?" "are we getting solo! today/this week'" and such They likely prepare FAQ ahead of time, so they just put the info there for the moment when they'll activate the stuff, but once they people noticed it and rioters sensed that people would have become annoying with their requests while they were not planning to release solo Q in short time they removed it...don't worry, you are getting you precious soloQ down the line

Nivloc1 votes

Last I heard, Riot is planning to do that, but only after they finish rolling out dynamic queue to all regions and everything is stable.

webkr3b58 votes

I haven't heard anything about that at all. All I know is that Riot originally planned pure soloQ after the community backlash and then just kinda stopped talking about it and removed their pure soloQ FAQ after that reddit post, which to me communicates that they want us to forget about pure soloQ.

Canidae3 votes

This type of stuff doesn't happen overnight, lawl.

webkr3b54 votes

It sure doesn't. But just communicating that they'd be still working on it would be enough for me, it'd let me know that they care about players like me.

WadeWilson13373 votes

Of course not, but at the same time, they said it would take "a few weeks", about a month and a half ago.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

{quoted}

Of course not, but at the same time, they said it would take "a few weeks", about a month and a half ago.

And? Unforeseen problems occur. They spoiled Ao Shin 2 years ago and were pretty silent on it after that until recently.

They may just feel it's not worth the effort to explain why they're still working on it until they have a working ETA.

Patience, man.

WadeWilson13371 votes

They also havent said anything about it since even though one of these posts gets 50+ upvotes and is on the front page on the daily. They even made a post about it on the website, but deleted it almost immediately. Please, do not follow and trust companies blindly, they will step on you if you do so.

saniseeppa10 votes

Yeah.. I honestly think they only announced pure SoloQ to "calm down" people who preferred a competitive queue but never really meant to actually release that queue and just hoped they could take advantage of sunk cost fallacy. Or maybe they thought the majority of player base just don't really want to compete or have an idea of their skill level. Or maybe they thought everyone would play dynamic queue and recruit new players to play dynamic queue with them to bring in more cash. For me, it only reduced my play time. I used to play a few games a day on average and now I have played a few games a month. And so have many of my friends.

Left Hook Larry3 votes

Dyanmic is a competitive que. People think 4maning makes it easy to climb when it doesn't. This season is the same as the last in terms of competitive. I can assure you that climbing is much easier than playing premade.

If you honestly believe that dyanmic que is "easy," then prove it and start climbing because that excuse isn't valid

BluePolarizer2 votes

it vastly improves your chances. My friend, who was a plat 3 player at best, climbed to diamond after trioing with 2 diamond 4's. He was mechanically good but strategically a brick who chases kills. Now he has 2 people to scream into his ear to "gtfo and not overstay", to ward for him and to engage for him or be his backline. So he climbs. What do you think is going to happen when he plays solo in diamond? That's right, he's going to get rekt by 4 man coordinated dives and ganks because he overextends like crazy and chases into the enemy jungle.

Left Hook Larry1 votes

When I smurf with my lower elo friends I lose much more than I do when I smurf alone, which is why imo dynamic que makes it harder to climb. You get matched with higher elos/other 4 mans to compensate, which makes it more difficult

Iqqi5 votes

{quoted}

Last I heard, Riot is planning to do that, but only after they finish rolling out dynamic queue to all regions and everything is stable.

As far as I can tell there has been no further official comments on the subject after their original dynamic queue posts.

The silence more than anything is why the community is so pissed.

ArlanKels1 votes

{quoted}

Last I heard, Riot is planning to do that, but only after they finish rolling out dynamic queue to all regions and everything is stable.

Be kind of like that Dominion ranked they promised... xD

Velasan1 votes

I don't mind dynamic que so much. It only bugs me when I'm put on a premade 4 team as the "5th wheel" so to speak multiple times in a row. Especially because I feel like I'm not making as much of an impact that game. If the enemy premade is better than our premade there is only so much I can do with 4 man ganks to mid and double teleports into other lanes.

Sometimes it comes down to which premade is better and which one did you get stuck with.

Even that wouldn't be so bad except it happens more often than it should with a system that they said was like 95% matching teams against eachother (or something like that, I'm sure someone could find the original quote).

theArtifacts1 votes

{quoted}

I don't mind dynamic que so much. It only bugs me when I'm put on a premade 4 team as the "5th wheel" so to speak multiple times in a row. Especially because I feel like I'm not making as much of an impact that game. If the enemy premade is better than our premade there is only so much I can do with 4 man ganks to mid and double teleports into other lanes.

Sometimes it comes down to which premade is better and which one did you get stuck with.

Even that wouldn't be so bad except it happens more often than it should with a system that they said was like 95% matching teams against eachother (or something like that, I'm sure someone could find the original quote).

98%, but only affects teams of 5. Not 4 or less.

C9 Scott Free 1 votes

DQ will never die so long as there are a lot of bad players playing solo in ranked. DQ has shown me how bad a lot of solo players really are. Also because of the fact that provisional ruin MMR for a lot of people. Maybe if I climb a few more tiers pure solo Queue wont seem so annoying but currently people still willingly draft bad team comps and still solo dive teams without so much as a ping and expect you to just know thats what they were planning to do.

Live2LetDie1 votes

Unless you are master then I don't see how you can say if it's good or not. Another rank will be laughed at and looked down on like 3s ranked.

Zeraphicus1 votes

As a jungle who only plays solo ranked, I'm about to quit lol after 5 years.

It's impossible to play solo against coordinated parties of 3+. I get invaded by jungle/top/mid, not to mention you end up with the gold 1(s5 plat) trio with 2 silver 5s, good times ahead. Dynamic is garbage. Just like the all random BG in wow against a 15 man premade, it was a stomp 100% of the time.

Project Riven1 votes

I had a gold 2 in my game last night, carrying his silver 3 buddy. And yes, enemy team got annihilated before 20 min.

arcinex1 votes

Sounds too complicated for the simple minds working at Riot.

Deyvuhl1 votes

well ive solo qued and seen people say they have duos before so im not understanding, is there really a pure solo q? cus i seem to get duos and multiples occasionally

5050BS1 votes

No there is no SoloQ that is the issue.

More often then not you will soloQ to be matched with a 4 man team vs another 4 man team and SoloQ

Its stupid

THey need a true soloQ

And then they need a TeamQ where you Q as 5 man, 3 man or 2 man.

Joey3761 votes

I will quit if solo q does not come back and just play DOTA 2 and SFV and other games for fun LOL not being one of them which is a shame I used to enjoy playing LOL so much.

Sohleks1 votes

Yes pls.

Taking away ranked 5s for nothing was bull. Thx but now I must use a smurf to play the ranked 5s replacement dynamic queue with gold/silver players.

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