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Thunderlords is not OP

thats nice··8 votes·2,049 views

Ok, so yeah I know this is coming from a non high elo player, i do consider myself to be pretty knowledgeable about the game, but this is just my opinion.

I keep reading posts about Thunderlords being OP and is used by 9/10 players every game. Me being an ADC main with jungle right behind, literally the only reason I take Thunderlords is because I think Precision is OP (not thunderlords) Of course thunderlords helps a ton with the early game, but mid-late game I would much rather take one of the other keystones over thunderlords. Just the fact I can get the Armour/magic pen. from precision with a good early game keystone is more than enough for me to take it. Take away precision I will most likely not run thunderlords anymore. So in a nutshell what I am saying is the masteries leading to thunderlords is more valuable than other mastery trees and for me precision is the big reason i always take thunderlords. So let me know am if I am wrong? and Thunderlords actually really is OP? lol. Want to know others opinion on the matter.

14 Comments

shadecrapper2 votes

Its that everything else was nurfed and that the armor pen in that tree is really good.

MasterSomething2 votes

The reason Thunderlord's is currently overpowered (not the tree, but the mastery itself) is because:

  1. Every other mastery was nerfed a bit. While I like to use stuff like Fervor (Still works) and Bond of Stone, Thunderlord's Damage is usually so powerful these two aren't worth taking. I've seen Janna take this mastery... JANNA.
  2. 30% AD Ratio This makes hybrid champions and a lot of AD casters ridiculous to deal with. Ever seen an Akali with this? Not to mention the damage is absurd late game.
DeathBurst1 votes

The damage late game pales against DFT or Fervor. Thunderlord is better in 1v1 situation, but it's 1 instance of damage every 20 sec on 1 guy, i.e. you'll never damage more than 1 person over the course of a typical teamfight. Meanwhile, DFT procs permanently on everyone you damage. In any team fight, you will deal more damage with DFT than with Thunderlord. Fervor is not so straightforward, but you still deal a bit more with Fervor than with Thunderlord if you are some tanky Fighter.

The problem with Thunderlord is the early-game 1v1 in lane or the added burst in ganks. Not the damage late game. The damage late game is negligible. But if you managed to get 2 or 3 kills in lane thanks to that, you have 1 more item late game, and you don't need Thunderlord for dealing damage anymore.

(All that is about the Keystone specifically. I do believe that Precision is also part of the general problem, but not as much as OP puts it.)

ILikeEatPie1 votes

I agree, it's not op, it's just that the other keystones are quite lackluster compared to it since they nerfed them, then buffed thunderlord's.

It Is I Emoto1 votes

Honestly though, other masteries get buffed, just check out the pbe updates! Thunderlords was never op in the first place, it just suited most combo based casters much better than the other masteries. Consider; The only two keystone masteries wich mages could pick are Deathfire Touch and Thunderlords decree, since Deathfire Touch has lower impact on aoe spells (wich most mages tend to have) it seems much better to pick Thunderlords decree for more burst.

Arctic Snow Wolf1 votes

lol man you have no idea what you are talking about. try being a supp against duo thunderlord. I can not play any aggressive tanks like alistar or braum. anytime i go to set up kills alistars life gets taken down to half or lower in under 10 seconds. so thunderlord makes aggressive supp champs almost impossible to play. and even late game. when you have like 5 or 4 enemy champs with thunderlords any tanks will be destroyed if everyone focuses their thunderlord on him. it way take away that buff but if your team can not kill the enemy tank or anyone then that leaves your team at a major disadvantage. something has to be done with thunderlord or it might just change the game forever even in a bad way.

thats nice1 votes

Odd, I don't know if you watched the interview C9 Meteos had with Riot that they they put up, but basically they talked about Thunderlords, the new champion and the upcoming patch... It was weird Meteos said isn't wasn't so much Thunderlords being OP it was precision, but hey what does he know???

Also explains precision getting a nerf this patch and not Thunderlords.

Also for aggressive supports proccing thunderlords Like alistar, that means you are within melee range to get hit 3 times... Also I personally think Bond of Stone is better for those tanky supports especially braum

Arctic Snow Wolf1 votes

[{quoted}](name=o Stormy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z471zMEJ,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-01-14T15:28:13.317+0000)

Odd, I don't know if you watched the interview C9 Meteos had with Riot that they they put up, but basically they talked about Thunderlords, the new champion and the upcoming patch... It was weird Meteos said isn't wasn't so much Thunderlords being OP it was precision, but hey what does he know???

Also explains precision getting a nerf this patch and not Thunderlords.

Also for aggressive supports proccing thunderlords Like alistar, that means you are within melee range to get hit 3 times... Also I personally think Bond of Stone is better for those tanky supports especially braum

yeah I did watch it. and meteos knows what he is talking about but he isn't on the receiving end of it a lot. the pros don't run duo thunderlord on bot lane. in ranked teambuilder and everything you can run into duo thunderlord and when thunderlord activates against a sup champ their health is gone in a second. so instead of just going off what they say why don't you be on the receiving end of duo thunderlord and see how fast your heath drops when you play aggressive sup like alistar.

thats nice1 votes

Man I guess the part where I said I main ADC means I have never run into duo thunderlords in bot lane......

I have played in each position an adc with a supp also having thunderlords and also against a duo bot with thunderlords.

And what you are saying is that Meteo's hasn't expericenced duo thunderlords before is ignorant.

I watch streams to learn and get better and have seen the benefits from watching people like imaqtpie and doublelift...

Again from what i said before you are having an Alistar proc thunderlords on you frequently you aren't playing your role right, where it be support or adc

EDIT: one more thing, meteos is definitely not the first one to agree that precision was the problem, many PRO adc's and junglers have agreed with said statement

Arctic Snow Wolf1 votes

[{quoted}](name=o Stormy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z471zMEJ,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-14T16:28:55.080+0000)

Man I guess the part where I said I main ADC means I have never run into duo thunderlords in bot lane......

I have played in each position an adc with a supp also having thunderlords and also against a duo bot with thunderlords.

And what you are saying is that Meteo's hasn't expericenced duo thunderlords before is ignorant.

I watch streams to learn and get better and have seen the benefits from watching people like imaqtpie and doublelift...

Again from what i said before you are having an Alistar proc thunderlords on you frequently you aren't playing your role right, where it be support or adc

EDIT: one more thing, meteos is definitely not the first one to agree that precision was the problem, many PRO adc's and junglers have agreed with said statement

man just stop. you are a adc not a support so you don't go in to tank and set up kills for your adc so you have no idea how much damage is being done. play the supp. and you don't see anyone really play alistar, anymore cause the duo thunderlord you see the champs that have range now cause it harder to get the duo thunderlord damage. champs like brand, name, janna, braum, thresh are played a lot more often cause thunderlord. you don't see alistars as much anymore. so try to play the sup role not adc, then play alistar against duo thunderlord or set a game up in custom to see how much damage is dealt when both adc and sup target you when they duo thunderlord. until you do that just shut your mouth you are annoying cause you don't know what your talking about. and yeah the pro adc and junglers, not supports.

thats nice1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Arctic Snow Wolf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z471zMEJ,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-14T17:20:30.917+0000)

. champs like brand, name, janna, braum, thresh are played a lot more often cause thunderlord. you don't see alistars as much anymore. so try to play the sup role not adc, then play alistar against duo thunderlord or set a game up in custom to see how much damage is dealt when both adc and sup target you when they duo thunderlord.

SO its sounds like your crying because your'e picking Alistar against supports with poke... Stop blaming thunderlords and blame yourself dude.

OF COURSE you are going to get poked down when you pick Alistar against brand, janna, braum, and thresh!

And yes thunderlords helps with the poke, but to say it's significantly better than all the other masteries is wrong.... IF you take out precision I will more than likely not take thunderlords...

Don't be mad that i make sense dude.

AND YES a lot of supports run thunderlords BECAUSE THEY WANT THE POKE, ITS THERE JOB. BUT YOU ARE CRYING BECAUSE YOU ARE GETTING OUTPOKED PLAYING ALISTAR.....

Arctic Snow Wolf1 votes

[{quoted}](name=o Stormy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z471zMEJ,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-14T18:42:56.959+0000)

SO its sounds like your crying because your'e picking Alistar against supports with poke... Stop blaming thunderlords and blame yourself dude.

OF COURSE you are going to get poked down when you pick Alistar against brand, janna, braum, and thresh!

And yes thunderlords helps with the poke, but to say it's significantly better than all the other masteries is wrong.... IF you take out precision I will more than likely not take thunderlords...

Don't be mad that i make sense dude.

AND YES a lot of supports run thunderlords BECAUSE THEY WANT THE POKE, ITS THERE JOB. BUT YOU ARE CRYING BECAUSE YOU ARE GETTING OUTPOKED PLAYING ALISTAR.....

whatever man, your mind is set on thunderlord not being op cause your not the one being hit by it. and no most of the pro supports do not run thunderlord. what a selfish person, you don't care is your sup gets pounded by thunderlord as long as you get kills, and if you fail to get kills you blame your sup cause he can not do anything cause duo thunderlord. you are one of the most selfish players I have ever meet. you should try to care about how your supports are being effected than just yourself. id hate to be the support on your team. have a good day idiot

thats nice1 votes

LOL,

and yes most of the pro supports do run thunderlords, look up aphromoo, madlife etc... it depends which supp they take.

Also who really cares if your getting ass pounded as support as long as your ADC is getting fed??? I mean isn't that the point to take the ass pounding so your adc doesn't... correct me if im wrong.

Also you are saying it's OP because of its early game presence which it is, but late game the other keystones would be much better aka fervor or warlords, but most people like the early game presence of it... plus you know precision xD

and btw ALL ADC's are selfish.... tell me when an adc wont KS or taking minions or something. EVERY ADC DOES THIS EVER TO PLAY THE GAME LOL... HAHA i have seen imaqtpie back ping his support just so he could get tower gold to himself! LOL

Maximum Morde1 votes

All they need to do is make Thunderlord more of an AP thing instead of AD. Cut base damage a bit, add a touch more AP ratio to balance it back, nerf AD ratios across the board in the Cunning tree and tell AD champs to GTFO back to ferocity.

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