Remember when Towers were something to be feared?

because J4/Vi wanted to gank you

And Lee.

It's a holy trinity of bruiser junglers.

I concur, I am very stern on myself to map awareness so I always make sure if no team member is watching minion waves destroying towers (almost as much as champions in some games even though they are not going for objectives really) I am every time. (Gets me gold and exp anyway...and some games people dont care to protect towers)

I'm really fucking tired of being 85% health and having a level 6 leona with no items lock me down under turret for 5 seconds then Vayne condemning me into the turret and killing me, all while Leona is just standing there moaning in pleasure as the turret is caressing her for like 3% of her health every 2 seconds.

Don't get me started on the lategame where Volibear's health regen passive restores health faster than he is damaged by both nexus turrets.

If super minions were unable to take a Nexus tower, taking an inhibitor would be almost worthless. Why would you do it? It would just give you a high health minion for a siege, which is really difficult to do against two turrets.

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They haven't been feared in years. They weren't feared in the assassin metas, they weren't feared in poke/siege metas, they weren't feared in big teamfight metas, they weren't feared when bruisers were prevalent, they weren't feared when tanks were on top.

When were they to be feared? Early Season 1?

early season 1 towers didn't even have armor pen. morello made a joke about how frozen heart had a passive that let you ignore turrets

nostalgia is blind my friend

Some times I think these complaints are insinuating that towers are useless because they are not a 100% safety net for dives. I get that they have to be useful but they shouldn't just outright save you if they enemy team made the effort for a multi man dive or that you are loosing lane so bad that the enemy laner can afford to gamble on a dive.

Also I think people hate winions.

Towers aren't scary in Dota 2. They're valued far more as teleportion points than for actual champion damage. A common piece of advice given to new players is that in League towers defend you, while in Dota you defend your towers. It only takes one time being 100-0 dived at 5 minutes by a nightstalker who takes less than 1/3 of his health for that lesson to sink in. Hell, when Spirit Breaker was in the meta I considered myself lucky if I didn't get dove by level 3.

The thing is, not only do Dota towers do less relative damage than League's because their damage doesn't increase with multiple hits, but their tower priority is actually really easy to mess with too. They'll only hit you if you attempt to right click someone. Nuke someone with a spell? Tower doesn't give a shit. Walk up to them intending to murder them? Tower couldn't care less. Even once you've taken aggro, dropping it is as easy as trying to attack one of your own minions. It resets the tower's aggro when you do that, so you can kill someone, a-click a minion, and then walk away.

Basically, Dota's towers are only scary until you realize just how little damage they do and how easily circumvented they are. Then it's dive city.

I have tried DOtA 2 like 4 or 5 times and gave up because I didn't like it. But I noticed that the turrets were really scary.

That (and the OP for that matter) probably has a lot more to do with you being inexperienced and not knowing how to deal with towers over them actually being strong.

In DotA: tower damage can be almost completely ignored via evasion, damage absorption, or just health regeneration. On most melee champions - you get 1 solid tanky item comparable to something like Frozen Mallet and the towers in DotA stop being scary. With squish - you can get 200% life steal on a single item, and the major armor penetration item reduces tower armor.

Also - towers in DotA use generic WC3 AI, which goes like this: Attack the closest thing attacking you. If nothing's attacking you, attack the closest enemy.

It's not particularly difficult to tower-dive someone in DotA and take 0 damage after pushing a minion wave to the tower. More irritating soloing a tower as a melee because it will target you before your ranged minions, but towers aren't very frightening there.

Actually one of the first things i noticed when i switched from DOTA (the first one) to League was "damn those turrets are really strong!" That was back in S1, not sure what changed now

My first experience with that thing was hilarious. I, a full-tank Cho'Gath, and my ally Irelia had gotten an ACE on the enemy team, then proceeded to steamroll an Inhibitor tower and the inhibitor. I tanked the Inhib one while she melted it. I was at about 75% HP and she was about 50% HP when we got to the Nexus turret. We planned to do the same strategy on the Nexus tower. Irelia was a bit faster than me, and aggro'd the tower first. She wasn't as tanky as me, but based on the way teamfights had been going, could definitely tank a decent amount of damage from champions. This turret was no champion though... She took maybe three shots, then died. I took one shot, got chunked, then booked it as fast as I could. Irelia said "wtf??" in /All chat, since neither of us expected it. I don't think the enemy team saw it coming either, since there was a lot of "LOOOOOL", "Dat damage", etc. from them. Ever since then, we've always made sure to have a full minion wave before even thinking about going for that turret.

This is probably the only buff to turrets that'd be possible. I mean, consider the following: If we even touched the turret's damage, attack speed, or range the effects could drastically effect the game because that means they would interact with minions differently. Set up a custom game with no one in it and enter no lane. You'll notice that, interestingly enough, turrets tend to fall randomly. Imagine if we upped a turret's attack to buff them, and it got to a point where lane minions could not /ever/ take a tower, or at least, take them a very long time. That means that basically a champion would have to do it. And that means the game would either be snowballier, because a lane would have to be dominated to lose it's tower - more so than now - or solely dependent on a team having good rotations.

However, to address increasing the health of towers in general, I feel like that would only increase the length of games. I mean, when the whole enemy team is under a tower, you're likely not taking it and a fight would be risky so the health isn't really needed. However, at about 40 minutes death timers get big, which makes me wonder - would you be able to take the nexus towers after you ace them in there base? If the answer is no, then that's horrendous, because I feel like there's a point in every game where one team is just not going to win and they decide how long they want the team to drag out for both teams. I'm just not so sure if it'd really help teams get back into the game or just make games longer.

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i remember when maokai danced under inhib towers for the entire duration of his ult without dying. i don't think people really do remember. yeah the damage is equalized to where it shreads squishys slower but tanks can no longer tank tover for more than 5 seconds before lazer kills you no matter how you build.

I remember back in the day I was Cho'gath and I tanked the inhib turret and the turret before in the middle of a team fight for a solid 30 seconds, and then continued tanking it after the team fight to let my team kill the turrets and walked off with a 1/4th of my life left after both turrets were dead.

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when you think that turrets are awful, then you remember that in HotS turrets have limited ammo and you realise there is always worse

seriously though, turrets are pathetic.

Ahah was thinking the same.Those things are basically big ass wards giving free xp when you destroy them.They don't even defend you if you're attacked as long as there are minions xD