Im trying to learn how to play midlaners and every game im against High Noon Yasuo Legit no different skins every single game and frankly im tired of his bs mechanics that make him "balanced" plz nerf him anything idk
Lugg6 votesI am just amazed at the amount of people that don't realize he's broken. He needs a rework worse than any champ in the game.
AyRe CoNteMpT3 votesyasuo is balanced, if not more on the weak side
SnugglePuggle942 voteslmao. He is not. He has an overloaded kit and is an atrocity to this game. He needs nerfs!
AyRe CoNteMpT1 voteswhat would you do, mr expert?
SnugglePuggle942 votesIf not delete him, then I say take away his double passive, nerf his shield, and take away his bonus armor pen on his ult.
AyRe CoNteMpT2 votesthats it? just flat out nerf him? wow. mind if i say "typical bronze" ?
SnugglePuggle941 votesNO. Never bring rank into an argument, especially mine. That's being a rude ass. Also, that's what Yasuo straight up needs.
AyRe CoNteMpT2 votesthis is no argument, its a noob crying for nerfs. an argument actually contains arguments.
SnugglePuggle941 votesWow, calling me a noob. Reported. And it's what Yasuo needs, and most people will agree with me.
AyRe CoNteMpT1 votesmost people in bronze maybe hahaha ;D
SnugglePuggle941 votesWrong again. Good-bye you rude ass.
AyRe CoNteMpT1 votesomg so offensive report hahaha ;D
SnugglePuggle941 votesRude.
Saphixia2 votesHow did you get to diamond with those manners
AyRe CoNteMpT1 votesplaying OP champs all day
Caytheles2 votesI can tell, so i see you are Toxic in all of the boards. Defending champions that are out of hand just proves that you are even more bronze than any of us.
Crett1 votesIt's true, bringing rank into arguments is silly. But on the other hand, Yasuo would probably have a 30%< win rate with your proposed changes.
To think like Riot's balance team, you probably have to understand how to put a champion in a place where they can have their unique strengths without being toxic. And sometimes, you can even fit a buff in. SOMETIMES their unique strength is inherently toxic, in the case of champions like 
or 
, which is why they're in a bit of a state of purgatory, and I don't think Riot wants to touch champions like that without a full relaunch
Anyways here's a list of nerfs Yasuo's already endured: Flow generation reduced to 1% per 46 units from 1% per 40 units. Bonus flow generated on Sweeping Strike reduced to 3 / 6 / 9 / 12 / 15% from 4 / 8 / 12 / 16 / 20%, and later this mechanic was removed entirely Last Breath range reduced to 1200 from 1300. Passive Shield duration reduced to 1.5 seconds from 2, and then later reduced to 1 from 1.5. Shield strength reduced to 100 – 510 from 60 – 690. Sweeping Blade bonus damage cap reduced to 50% at 2 stacks from 100% at 4 stacks. Steel Tempest Cooldown reduction from attack speed reduced. Minimum cast time increased to 0.18 seconds from 0.13. Base health lowered to 462 from 512. Base movement speed lowered to 340 from 350. Flow generation reduced at early ranks to per 59 / 52 / 46 units travelled from 46 at all levels.
There were buffs in there, but Yasuo used to ACTUALLY be a bit OP
Now he's just kinda obnoxious to lane against, and feels really crappy to fight as a tank when he ults you
SnugglePuggle941 votesBringing rank up into arguments is a cheap shot to take at people. Just because he's gotten nerfs over the years, doesn't mean they were that huge or game breaking. A lot of them seem to me that they are pretty small.
Good, I want him to have a low win rate. Then there will be less games and people will play other champs that are more fun to play against.
He needs those changes I proposed.
Manwalrus1 votesOverloaded ≠ overpowered. Think about Ekko, Azir, and Pre-buff Elise. Also, he has very real weaknesses, he isn't very strong either. Also to your comment below
If not delete him, then I say take away his double passive, nerf his shield, and take away his bonus armor pen on his ult
Riot has stated multiple times that they won't delete a champion, and also what you and alot of people seem to do when they want to "balance" a champion is less balance and more a complete gutting of their kit or the removal of everything that makes them unique.
And about the whole "Typical Bronze" thing below, it's not that you actually apply to that, but you're setting yourself up for it, you're calling a champion bad for the game, and calling for gutting and deletion, with no reasoning or support at all you're literally adding to the "Bronze players know nothing stereotype". You're coming off really whiny even if it isn't your intention.
SnugglePuggle941 votesThey deleted Sion basically and brought him back (I started playing league for the first time when he was on the log in screen, and what I heard could be wrong about him). Anyway, the balance we want is what we think that champion needs. I said why and how Yasuo needs things taken away because has has too much defensive power along with insane mobility and way too many things in his kit. It's more stupid than a Kat facerolling the keyboard and getting a pentakill. I rather deal with her any day then stupid Yas.
I am not whining. I am not setting myself up for that talk. I am stating my opinion and the facts. People just like to look the rank up of others and be complete rude assess because they can't think of a better way to argue and take a low shot like that.
Manwalrus1 votesSion was still a playable character thus he was not deleted (not sure where that came from). You contradict yourself a few times, like here:
Anyway the balance we want is what we think that champion needs
But then later you say:
I am stating my opinion and the facts
That doesn't make much sense, and you are setting yourself up, suggesting the deletion of a champion is often associated with people in low Bronze whining about an OP champion, so even though you didn't attempt to come off as whiny, you did. You sort of opened yourself up for that comment. Anyhow, Yasuo has very real counterplay, and needs his kit to be relevant, and it's not his kit that makes him strong, it's his numbers. Don't believe me? After his release Yasuo was GUTTED and his winrate was the lowest in the game until he was buffed again (The winrate was something like 43%). Once again, Overloaded ≠ Overpowered.
SnugglePuggle941 votesLike I said, what I heard could've been wrong. I did not set myself up. Just stop.
I said the balance we want is because people were commentating on how bronze people complain, and I was arguing against it. When I said I was stating my opinion, was because my post about Yasuo is my original thoughts about him.
He still is overloaded, and in many hands he is overpowered. Just because he was gutted doesn't mean he's still unviable or can't do shit, like .
Manwalrus1 votesThe "balance you want" seems like a huge nerf that would leave yasuo in a really bad spot. I never said he wasn't overloaded, and you still haven't given one reason why he's "overpowered". I never said he wasn't viable now, I said that his kit isn't his problem, if his kit was as broken as people say it is he'd have an insane winrate during that time, but he didn't. As for Riot just doesn't seem to like her,
SnugglePuggle941 votesYou keep saying that overloaded doesn't mean overpowered so that is what I was responding too. His kit is a problem, he needs more nerfs, and I have given reasons why he's overpowered, his kit makes him that way. Good lord I'm done fighting.
Go search through the boards. Many people dislike Yasuo and agree that his kit is way too much. Even some are commenting on this post.
Evelynn has been nerfed to hell and keeps getting nerfs. Yasuo needs that treatment, not her.
Manwalrus1 votesFor possibly the fifth time, what's so terribly wrong with his kit?
Evelynn has been nerfed to hell and keeps getting nerfs. Yasuo needs that treatment, not her.
I enjoy how you want a champion to be nerfed into oblivion, the point of nerfing a champion is to make them balanced, not terrible.
SnugglePuggle941 votesWhat's wrong about his kit is everything in it.
Manwalrus1 votesYou know at first I didn't believe the bronze asshole stuff from above, but I'm sort of beginning to.
SnugglePuggle941 votesIf you think that....then you are just like the rest of the rude assholes on here.
I'm done with you.
Manwalrus1 votesAllow me to put this into perspective. Here's how I see it, you:
A. Want him to be nerfed into the ground, not balanced
B. You haven't said specifically what's wrong with him
C. Haven't backed up your claims at all with anything other than "everything"
D. Whenever you get called out on anything you hide behind people being rude because they're saying you're bronze and not good at the game.
E. You're trying to discredit the stereotype while acting exactly like the stereotype
It seems like the reason you don't want yasuo to exist is because you hate playing against him, or can't play against him, and stereotypes aside that can be attributed to the fact that you're in low bronze, it doesn't mean that you aren't entitled to an opinion or that you're a terrible person, but it does mean that you're not good at the game. But you're acting like an entitled brat, whining about how everyone is always putting you down for being bronze and not seeing that people are actually disagreeing with you because of the reasons listed above. And in response to this:
I'm done with you.
What a badass.
SnugglePuggle941 votesFuck off dude.
A. Sure, I want him nerfed to the ground. The way they balance things now a days does not give me confidence that he will be "balanced." B. I'm sure I have said the things that is wrong with him. His kit is wrong. His shield is way to strong and needs nerfed more so it is not as easy to regenerate-they nerfed this a bit ago but with his low CD he's able to just regenerate it quickly enough. His windwall, although at low levels at high CD, is way to easy to just spit out of his ass and is stupid that it blocks all projectiles. His mobility is way to much and needs more CD. His bonus armor pen on his ult is not needed. His tornado is complete bullshit, even though some say it's easy to dodge, most players throw it in a direction you are dodging too and then you have little to no time to react as he ults you. C. I didn't back up my claims because I was too busy arguing with you. D. That is completely not true. E. I am not.
Fuck off. Asshole.
Edit: I am not a brat. I do see people disagreeing with me but not for those reasons, they just like to pick on me for my low rank just like what you are doing. "you're not good at the game." Wow. Screw you. I am good and you saying that is mean.
Manwalrus1 votesYou said you started playing on the release of the reworked Sion, so you can't say much about the history of champion balance. You never explicitly stated what was wrong with his kit before this, you just said "everything"
His shield is way too strong
a 1 second 100 hp shield that takes 5900/5200/4600 units traveled to charge sure is OP. I mean it's not like you can just poke him, wait for the shield to go away and THEN all in.
His windwall, although at low levels at high CD, is way to easy to just spit out of his ass and is stupid that it blocks all projectiles
At rank five it has an 18 second cooldown. It has a high CD at all levels. Oh no! It blocks projectiles?! It's not as if you can A. Reposition so he has to leave the position of the windwall to attack you B. Hit him with a melee attack C. Displace him out of the wall D. Reposition around the windwall Also, if you don't want it to block projectiles, what would it do? Just be a useless visual effect that does nothing?
His mobility is way to much and needs more CD
Well first of all *too Unless you're always fighting him near minions (which is stupid) or your entire team is grouped together in a fight (which is even more stupid) then he's pretty damn immobile.
His tornado is complete bullshit, even though some say it's easy to dodge, most players throw it in a direction you are dodging too and then you have little to no time to react as he ults you.
This comes down to you not being able to dodge a skillshot, and if the yasuo predicts where you'll go, then good on him, that's a player playing well and has nothing to do with his kit. You're not supposed to react to the ult, you're supposed to react to the tornado and dodge it, it's a little thing called counterplay
I didn't back up my claims because I was too busy arguing with you.
But if I was arguing about you not supporting it (which is was) wouldn't you have supported it then, if you were too busy arguing about not supporting it?
I do see people disagreeing with me but not for those reasons, they just like to pick on me for my low rank just like what you are doing. "you're not good at the game." Wow. Screw you. I am good and you saying that is mean.
First of all, what the fuck are you talking about, the way this is worded makes me cringe, others just pick on your low rank just like I'm doing? But I thought that people were disagreeing with you for reasons other than mine.
I think I need to clear this up. The stereotype of low Bronze players is
I'd check off all 7
I'm not picking on you for being at a lower rating, I'm saying that you're not as good at the game as say, someone in plat, and that something that may appear OP to a Bronze player (trynd, yasuo, Yi, etc) aren't OP to players at a higher level, your frustration with yasuo comes with you not knowing how to play against yasuo. That's not being mean that's a fact. Truth hurts man.
Fatalitý1 votesnah
RyzeRework1 votesyasuo is balanced, if not more on the weak side
I love how anyone who disagrees downvoted you lol yasuo is actually weak as a mid laner he has many counters no one champion is completely counterless and everyone who complains on boards just lacks experience and knowledge. Instead of doing research and thinking of counters they complain about a champion and hate on anyone that thinks otherwise
AyRe CoNteMpT1 voteswell yasuos real weakness doesnt lie in lane tho.
his real weakness is that he is a melee champion without an unconditional/long range gapcloser and no instant cc so his ability to just jump onto a squishy and instagib him is very limited even when he is fed.
he somewhat relies on his teammates to do the job. a khazix for example doesnt have this weakness and he is way more mobile, thats why khazix is a much stronger champion overall but his laning is weaker due to the mana restriction while yasuo has a free shield, a free dash and a free windwall all combined with a free medium-range farm ability in his Q, AoE damage from his EQ and an excellent buildpath.
yasuo has infact one of the best laningphases of all melee champions in the midlane because of how good his kit is for that.
now his OTHER important weakness (that is actually the reason people cry about him but dont understand why) is that he is neither a real assassin nor a real bruiser. he doesnt INSTAGIB with no chance to even flash like khazix/riven do and he also doesnt duel nearly as good as strong duelist champions like shyvana, garen, master yi, irelia and many others do. even if he is fed, basically a 3 item garen will kill a 5 item (those item numbers not including boots) yasuo no problem.
this is his main weakness. he doesnt scale good against strong fighters, thats how you can beat him on the map and not let him ever use his strong destructive ultimate.
also, always keep in mind what the enemy team gives up for having a yasuo on the team. sure if you have a zed against yasuo matchup, you give up the same thing but if you have an anivia, viktor, karthus or azir or even velkoz, you have a long range super high damage AP threat that yasuo cant deal with ever without his team, so they are somewhat forced to malph-ult-flash-alistar-something engage on your team and if you do not let that happen or they dont even have the champions for that and you force them to play the map against your team, yasuo is very very very much weaker than he appears.
a good example is actually the C9 vs FNC game where darius got a pentakill. basically in that game, FNC had very nice aoe knockup engages with alistar, orianna and gragas and they have a nice way of getting that engage of with sivirs ultimate. so overall, a very strong composition around yasuo.
but they played against tristana, azir, morgana and lee (darius being more on the useless side here) who are extremely strong at a long range which FNCs team does not have. this FORCES fnatic to engage on them or they will lose slowly but surely.
now with the amount of peel and disengage C9 brings (morganas everything, tristanas ult/jump, azirs ult, lee sins fucking ult, darius slowing and possibly hooking enemies off his carries which he never even attempted) the engage doesnt just have to be good, it has to be perfect.
if you make one mistake or dont go all-in enough or hesitate half a second, you will instantly get shattered by their disengages and destroyed by their long range. you CAN win but you have to play better than them and they CAN win but they have to play better than you, which makes the game very nice and balanced.
this is how yasuo works but because i say hes more on the weak side is because he cant force his play onto you, he has to wait until you step out of line and then kill you while super strong mages like viktor can force everything onto you but then has to be careful not to step out of line himself.
basically you can simplify it by saying yasuo aswell as riven and other assassin-ish types rely completely on their cheesing potential and if you play perfect, they have 0% winrate. tho nobody plays perfect, its pretty balanced.
RyzeRework1 voteswell yasuos real weakness doesnt lie in lane tho.
his real weakness is that he is a melee champion without an unconditional/long range gapcloser and no instant cc so his ability to just jump onto a squishy and instagib him is very limited even when he is fed.
he somewhat relies on his teammates to do the job. a khazix for example doesnt have this weakness and he is way more mobile, thats why khazix is a much stronger champion overall but his laning is weaker due to the mana restriction while yasuo has a free shield, a free dash and a free windwall all combined with a free medium-range farm ability in his Q, AoE damage from his EQ and an excellent buildpath.
yasuo has infact one of the best laningphases of all melee champions in the midlane because of how good his kit is for that.
now his OTHER important weakness (that is actually the reason people cry about him but dont understand why) is that he is neither a real assassin nor a real bruiser. he doesnt INSTAGIB with no chance to even flash like khazix/riven do and he also doesnt duel nearly as good as strong duelist champions like shyvana, garen, master yi, irelia and many others do. even if he is fed, basically a 3 item garen will kill a 5 item (those item numbers not including boots) yasuo no problem.
this is his main weakness. he doesnt scale good against strong fighters, thats how you can beat him on the map and not let him ever use his strong destructive ultimate.
also, always keep in mind what the enemy team gives up for having a yasuo on the team. sure if you have a zed against yasuo matchup, you give up the same thing but if you have an anivia, viktor, karthus or azir or even velkoz, you have a long range super high damage AP threat that yasuo cant deal with ever without his team, so they are somewhat forced to malph-ult-flash-alistar-something engage on your team and if you do not let that happen or they dont even have the champions for that and you force them to play the map against your team, yasuo is very very very much weaker than he appears.
a good example is actually the C9 vs FNC game where darius got a pentakill. basically in that game, FNC had very nice aoe knockup engages with alistar, orianna and gragas and they have a nice way of getting that engage of with sivirs ultimate. so overall, a very strong composition around yasuo.
but they played against tristana, azir, morgana and lee (darius being more on the useless side here) who are extremely strong at a long range which FNCs team does not have. this FORCES fnatic to engage on them or they will lose slowly but surely.
now with the amount of peel and disengage C9 brings (morganas everything, tristanas ult/jump, azirs ult, lee sins fucking ult, darius slowing and possibly hooking enemies off his carries which he never even attempted) the engage doesnt just have to be good, it has to be perfect.
if you make one mistake or dont go all-in enough or hesitate half a second, you will instantly get shattered by their disengages and destroyed by their long range. you CAN win but you have to play better than them and they CAN win but they have to play better than you, which makes the game very nice and balanced.
this is how yasuo works but because i say hes more on the weak side is because he cant force his play onto you, he has to wait until you step out of line and then kill you while super strong mages like viktor can force everything onto you but then has to be careful not to step out of line himself.
basically you can simplify it by saying yasuo aswell as riven and other assassin-ish types rely completely on their cheesing potential and if you play perfect, they have 0% winrate. tho nobody plays perfect, its pretty balanced.
Another thing is the amount of skills it takes to actually make good plays with yasuo. Im not talking about wombos were u press r and win. Yasuo take extreme skill to be good with lol and the more skilful u are with yasuo the more broken u can make him seem. Basically the people who seem op while playing yasuo have been playing him long enough to be good with him like actually riven mains
AyRe CoNteMpT1 voteswhat skill exactly? "mechanical skill" ? i disagree with that entirely. mechanical ability in league of legends is at the bottom end of relevance here.
yasuo is actually one of the easier champions to play in league but what makes him "seem broken" is not skill but rather un-skill from the enemy team who has no idea of how to deal with yasuo and how to outscale him.
basically, its the same thing with all champions you need brain to play against. people will cry mostly about these champs because, apparently, they are lacking vital brain functions to play the game.
this is a big problem in the league of legends community as it seems to be the case with the majority of players below diamond 2 or so. when people think about the game or how to play better or how to "win" the game or their lane or when they hear the word "outplay" they always only think about killing champions.
killing champions is actually a very small, if not neglible part of league of legends even tho it is the most fun for some silver fizz mains.
if you play strategically superior to your enemy team, you will not attempt, not NEED to attempt to kill anyone. you will play "the map" (aka play the game) and only kill them once they realize they are losing by default and step out of line to do something, thus killing themselves in the attempt (suicide).
since not even all pro teams have the mental capability to do that and focus on kills way too much and since casters/analysts/those really fashion backward guys are highlighting and celebrating kills only and never rotations and real outplays and you never see a replay of anything else but a kill, noobs have no way of learning the game properly and are actually misslead by the professional coverage.
Havenscythe3 votesI honestly do not even know about Yasuo anymore. Riot REMOVED Azir's double passive because of Azir's power spikes when he would get certain items, yet Yasuo still gets x2 crit and his flow shield. Not to mention infinate dashes, projectile blocking shield, and a super easy to land ult with the right team. Even on top of that near late game with enough CDR and attack speed he can have a tornado up every 2 seconds in teamfights.
Riots justification for Yasuo's reign is that they love to see his ult combos incorporated into team comps. He basically accomplishes 
's job easier.
JustMyBassCannon2 votesI honestly do not even know about Yasuo anymore. Riot REMOVED Azir's double passive because of Azir's power spikes when he would get certain items, yet Yasuo still gets x2 crit and his flow shield.
Oh. My fucking. God.
He still has the AS passive in his kit. It's just not attached to his innate slot anymore; instead, it's on his W and scales on the rank of his W.
They didn't "remove" his extra passive. Hell, they attached it to the skill that you are required to rank up first. He doesn't scale it on his CDR anymore, so he can't cap the AS bonus after completing one item with the right set of runes and masteries.
It's called a power curve.
Havenscythe2 votesYes and why haven't they done this with Yasuo? He also has extreme power spikes when he gets certain crit items. And you don't max W first on Azir honey.
JustMyBassCannon1 votesNo, you don't max W first on Azir. It's like Zed's W in that regard. That's how a power curve works.
Instead of scaling it on a stat he's going to want to max out for other reasons, it's scaled on a skill slot that he'll generally max out last.
As for why they haven't done something similar with Yasuo, it's likely due to a few facts.
First, any part of his passive that they move into his kit would have to be attached to his ultimate; Yasuo's leveling is versatile enough that he could max any of his basic abilities and leave 1 point in the other two without having severe drawbacks. Of course, this would lead to community backlash over putting more of Yasuo's power into his ultimate.
Secondly, whereas Azir is a ranged mage with actual disengage tools, Yasuo is a melee carry that lacks strong disengage tools; best he can do is throw a tornado if he's landing Qs while running away (which slows him down unless he happens to be running through a field of enemy minions, which is one specific scenario that works in his favor as opposed to the many that do not). They're different champions, they get different treatment. Fancy that.
Third and finally, Yasuo's problem isn't so much the early power spike--something intended in his design--as it is how effective that power spike is. Yasuo is supposed to be a stronger early-game carry, but late-game he falls off more than Fiora or Master Yi (even Tryndamere has a better late-game if he's played right). The problem is that his early power spike is massive. He's literally the only champion that can not give a damn how they do in the laning phase, because their power spike always brings them up to par with their opponent, letting them get a lead from out of nowhere.
This isn't so much another point as it is my opinion, but a lot of Yasuo's power spike issues are due to being based on Critical Chance, which is in itself a problem. Both need a few tweaks to work properly.
Saphixia1 votesi agree with you and, being a jungle main, if there is a yasuo mid then ill play malphite simply for the combo of my ult and his. Its OP but so satuisfying at the same time
Stars Shaper2 votesI'd rather ask why ppl like you who have no clue on the game and don't want to learn are allowed to express opinion on game balance.
Saphixia1 votesHAHAHAHA you make me laugh. Sorry just ask the rest of the community if a fed yasuo is broken af
Faded Lich1 votesHAHAHAHA you make me laugh. Sorry just ask the rest of the community if a fed yasuo is broken af
Anything fed is "Broken as fuck"
Saphixia1 votesWhy are all people from EUW so rude to everyone else gosh its not my fault. i literally said IM TRYING TO LEARN MIDLANE but clearly i "dont want to learn more" and therefor i must have "No clue on the game" Im sorry you think that but seriously, dont come on my thread to insult me
Stars Shaper2 votesAfter tons of threads about how to shut down Yasuo with text worth thousands of kilometers I'm getting fed up of whining about Yasuo where is obvious that not a single search on boards has been done.
Now lets analyze some facts:
If you want constructive replies give more insight on the matter. All you wrote was a QQ thread jumpng on the bandwagon of Yasuo hate.
1 800 MID LANE2 votesI wish I could agree, because I struggle like hell against him, also, but he can be countered relatively easily if you can dodge his tornado especially. For some stupid reason, I never can. 
Manwalrus2 votesI feel the reason that you're losing to yasuos is because you're learning mid lane and (no offense) aren't good at it yet, and not because of Yasuo's balance.
