Riot , we have a problem

Teemo Did 911·Oct 22, 2017·28 votes·2,437 views

if you are wondering what is this video , is 10 computers running on a bot program that plays for you. this guy is getting paid by leveling up fast accounts and then he sells them
his best game was 0-19

Here is the reddit post as well : https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/734qfs/the_most_dedicated_feeder_i_have_ever_seen/

by the way , most of the games are ranked . also he creates new accounts and levels them up to 30 and later sells them (if not banned ) to random sites like ebay

the problem is that he is allowed to create a new account everytime he gets banned ... that's a problem riot needs to slove , because there are a lot of people like him .

if you go to youtube on his channel you can see 9 hour videos on fast forward(x4) playing league of legends
if you go on the comments you can see he answers a lot of his "bot program" names , sites etc.

20 Comments

CritkeeperOct 22, 201719 votes

Because of the way the internet is designed, it is impossible to truly ban anyone from any service because it is impossible to verify whether two users of any service are the same person.

IP addresses can be changed, spoofed through a proxy, or hidden behind a virtual net.

Names and other identifying information can be forged.

You have to understand that the internet wasn't originally designed for the web or for video games. It was designed for the military and the primary design goal was to ensure that there would be no loss of functionality to the internet as a whole if any specific node (city or population center) were destroyed in a nuclear war. There were tradeoffs made in the design to keep the internet resilient even at the cost of making vulnerable to impersonation.

There is literally nothing RIOT can do about botnets from their end, and even through the legal system they have no power to stop it unless they are able to identify who is doing the botnetting in the first place-- but that is often impossible to do against an expert hacker because any expert knows that the internet is vulnerable to impersonation and knows how to use that to keep hidden.

And any algorithm developed to make a distinction between bot accounts and normal accounts must not falsely identify a real account as a bot account or real people will become irate. Hackers know this and can make sure the vulnerabilities in their bots coincide with the vulnerabilities in RIOT's distinction constraints.

KarunamonOct 23, 20171 votes

Step 1: Require at least one paid transaction to participate in ranked. The amount is less important than the fact that billing information was received.
Step 2: Ban credit cards and billing information rather than IP addresses

Forgeable? Sure, but this makes it just that much more annoying.

Step 3: Recaptcha required before entering queue

That third one's important. If it takes a human to start a new game, the annoyance cost to the botters just spiked way up. Meanwhile, real humans can solve one in seconds.

Step 4: Much fewer bots

needHymnOct 24, 20171 votes

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KarunamonOct 25, 20171 votes

The kids can play all they want - my idea only goes as far as ranked.

ParoeOct 22, 201713 votes

this guy is getting paid by leveling up fast accounts and then he sells them his best game was 0-19

by the way , most of the games are ranked .

You cant do ranked pre 30. This is very clearly bait...

The SoulforgedOct 22, 20173 votes

Yeah, I did a double take at that too.

Teemo Did 911Oct 23, 20171 votes

some computers play to level up new accounts other computers play to rank up accounts , that's what i meant

1 800 NlGGEROct 23, 20174 votes

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if you are wondering what is this video , is 10 computers running on a bot program that plays for you. this guy is getting paid by leveling up fast accounts and then he sells them
his best game was 0-19

Here is the reddit post as well : https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/734qfs/the_most_dedicated_feeder_i_have_ever_seen/

by the way , most of the games are ranked . also he creates new accounts and levels them up to 30 and later sells them (if not banned ) to random sites like ebay

the problem is that he is allowed to create a new account everytime he gets banned ... that's a problem riot needs to slove , because there are a lot of people like him .

if you go to youtube on his channel you can see 9 hour videos on fast forward(x4) playing league of legends
if you go on the comments you can see he answers a lot of his "bot program" names , sites etc.

Just an FYI, most serious account sellers are leveling hundreds of accounts at once. You simply Have VMware running 30+ virtual machines working at once, and that's just for 1 PC. Granted these PCs cost about 2500 to build because you need great hardware to run that many virtual machines, but I have experience with running 12~ LoL instances on 1 PC. My PC is a simple 1,000$ budget PC with nothing special.(This was years ago, for the referral bonus. I only played against AI ). Even for Diablo 3, when it first launched, Chinese farmers had entire rooms full of PCs which were monitored 24 hours per day. Someone would simply walk around checking the monitors to make sure the bots were farming gold. They are very efficient and hardworking, even if you hate them, you have to respect their hustle and dedication.

Nothing can be done about this problem. I say that from a viewpoint of someone who understands the mindset of these sellers. Often times these people are very smart, most of the serious sellers are in their late 20's/ early 30's with extensive programming knowledge. Although I will tell you, I'm quite certain a serious botter will never, ever play ranked. The whole point is to avoid detection.

One more thing, in China there are so many limitations on internet usage like visiting facebook/youtube, that almost every citizen in a big city will have a VPN. So coincidentally, the suppression they live under, also gives them cover from the ban hammer.

Ambient SnowOct 23, 20171 votes

PRetty much that

But this has been a issue since MMO's in wow. as they came to be known as

Chinese Farmers.

They just have one computer running usually 6/12 bots that would farm a certain area' or battle ground to lvl up quick or gather gold then use it to sell on their gold selling sites or Character purchasing sites.

its been around for ages

you really can't stop it

AS for saying they won't play in ranked that's not entirely true.

Bots can easily be played in ranked and yea it some tines ruins tons of ranked games. but riot can't stop it because riot bans accounts Per account.

not by a full ip ban,

this allows users or bots to lose only one account instead of all 50

AquariusGineOct 22, 20173 votes

Why would anyone buy accounts.. just play one yourself. It doesn't take that long. I just can't understand how such an operation manages to stay in business

DarkRitualOct 23, 20173 votes

When you're a toxic shit and have gotten your 5th account banned, you start looking for shortcuts to save the grind before you jump back into ranked and flame more people that are just holding you back.

Also people are just lazy.

PePsiLemoNNOct 23, 20172 votes

by the way , most of the games are ranked .

Playing ranked before level 30. Damn.

SaiannaOct 22, 20171 votes

Like they care...

Handy Sandy Oct 22, 20171 votes

By the time you're b2 with the way these bots are inting you shouldn't run into these anymore. I know it's bad and all but at least it's not doing that much damage since they're prob in like b5 elo idk >_>

Pandemic PunchOct 22, 20171 votes

Maybe this is why Riot is quick with the ban hammer on people who don't deserve it lately. They ban someone and they have to create a new account. Then Riot can say, "We have x number of new accounts this year!!! New RECORD!!!" Botting business must be soaring at the moment.

xJLx MCHammerOct 23, 20171 votes

You can't solve the problem of bots in a free game

The best you can do is minimize it to an area where they all stay away from normal please

I fear though, this preseason (with rewards per lvl) that this problem will only get worse.

McsquzzyOct 23, 20171 votes

Riot did solve it, now they need to level to the highest floating point used for the future leveling mechanic to reach level cap, cause who wants to buy an account that's not max level

D a n i e 1Oct 23, 20171 votes

Riot could solve this problem by selling level 30 accounts themselves, Riot should check if you already have a lvl 30 account and then ask you the reason you want to buy an account. Problem sold, no more ruined games.