@Stashu, finally Cassiopeia is balanced (long post)

Giovarco··3 votes·457 views

Why do I say so? Well, after the rework, you just knew you wouldn't survive the laning phase and playing Cassiopeia didn't make sense. Now, I think she's pretty balanced (playable) because I can "feel" his power curve. I know what I can do (before I could do nothing) and what I can't. Here there're my feelings:

START item 2041 item 2003 item 2003 item 2004 I like sustain in lane, especially if I'm going to play versus a poke champion like Zed item 1056 item 2003 item 2003 I think it would be better, but I like more sustain item 1029 item 2003 item 2003 item 2003item 2003 If the the enemy laner has armor penetration runes

--- LANING PHASE ---

  1. Until you max E:
  • If I'm against a sustainless melee: I can Q->E->E(->E) sporadically. Cassio hasn't great damage, but that doesn't mean she can't deal damage. Especially, if you play with brain, you can damage without taking damage. However, often, at least early game without boots, the MS buff on Q doesn't seems enought to close the gap, but you can make do.
  • If I'm against a ranged: The same, but it's harder to trade. You need to approach to Q and you're more and more susceptible to skillshots.

However, Cassio has decent mana sustain. She can last hit with E and be safe.

  1. Until you max Q: you gain more waveclear now. You can take away pushing the lane. You have more and more sustain, especially if you have item 3070 or item 3027 . You have no mana problems in lane. At this point, you have item 3020 and you can feel you're quicker with your MS buff.

--- MID GAME --- You can deal decent damage and you give utility with your CC on W and item 3116, if you build it. Your build depends on the situation and Cassio is very versatile (like she always was), I guess. Good positioning is a must, even if you have your MS buff.

--- LATE GAME --- An E deals 700 magic damage and is spammable. You can proceed to carry.

Is Cassiopeia better than before? I think not, but now I know how to deal with her. However, I think that improving edges exists: Q need a better MS buff in early game to close the gap because it's hard to trade with her, while mantaining her MS buff in mid game the same of before. Maybe you can improve the buff a bit and make it scale just with base movement speed, not boots?

Sorry for my english.

EDIT: I feel like her mid game is stronger than her late game. I mean, I wreck faces in mid game, but in late game I fall off somehow and I have no enough damage to breach enemy frontline even with the right build.

13 Comments

Mathbalnase7 votes

The worst problems with the Cass rework were never issues of balance.

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

{quoted} The worst problems with the Cass rework were never issues of balance.

Yes it was

There was just a very vocal minority who dislike that riot was giving e it's power back. That small minority like spamming Q over spamming E

Mathbalnase2 votes

[{quoted}](name=xJLx MCHammer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YLVHo7aZ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2014-12-14T18:57:39.313+0000) giving e it's power back

I must be going senile. Do be kind and remind me: when did E lose it's power?

Giovarco1 votes

E base damages are a bit nerfed than pre rework, but scale better in late game I guess: 50/85/120/155/190 (+55% AP) -> 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 / 155 (+55% AP)

Mathbalnase2 votes

The pre-rework poison detection also sucked, and the scaling didn't have an extra 30% AP amplification.

The rework didn't take power away from her E. It took power from Q and W and gave it to her E.

Giovarco1 votes

It took power from Q and W and gave it to the passive. Even if it wasn't in this way, we're not expert in balancing. I think we should collaborate with Stashu, instead of flaming him.

Mathbalnase2 votes

See previous comment re: balance isn't the real problem. See other threads re: productivity of attempting collaboration with Stashu (start with original PBE rework feedback). He's been ignoring constructive feedback for the entire duration of this project.

Giovarco1 votes

This isn't the real problem. She could harass easily with her Q and deal damage without taking. If you want to spam E, first you need to use your Q and approach your target. Myabe Riot moved too much power on her E, but hey It's just my feeling.

Mathbalnase1 votes

{quoted} Myabe Riot moved too much power on her E, but hey It's just my feeling.

Not maybe. Definitely.

Giovarco1 votes

Definetely not OP, but maybe annoying to deal with her, I guess. I never played against her because she always was underplayed.

P.S: I was downvoted to the hell for no reason. Just said my opinion: she was unplayable before and now is playable.

xJLx MCHammer2 votes

I'm still having issues vs zed. Otherwise she is pretty solid, much better than pre rework

Giovarco1 votes

After the patch, I played only against assassins (new assassin meta is awful) like Zed and Katarina and I hadn't lots of problems against them. If they ult you, you ult them. If you fail your ult, you're dead :D

Xtremey1 votes

the meta is just against her at the moment. When it goes back to long ranged mages, heimer will grow weaker and cass will have an easier time farming to that lategame point.

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