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Did the elo that represent each division get shifted down?

Darkstar Annie··1 votes·1,331 views

1400 Elo is now Platinum, but used to be Gold?

I managed to climb to Platinum extremely easy this year, whereas I've been in Gold for 4 years at 1400 MMR. I'm still 1400 elo, but somehow instead of Gold I'm in Platinum this year. Platinum was 1800 in Season 2. My skill or playstyle has not changed, and the MMR calculation website I use still reports the same elo to me with no drastic differences. This has to entail something. Especially when Platinum does not feel like what I would have expected Platinum to feel. It just still seems like Gold to me, which is what I've grown used to all these years. I know gold like the front of my hand. And almost all of my low/mid Gold friends are at least Gold I or Plat IV now. I don't think its a coincidence that all of us just suddenly became better between 1 season and are playing on the level of 1800's of the olden days.

I think this has something to do with the removal of every 5th division, creating a deflated standing of divisions and a false sense of accomplishment.

What happened to the distribution? Is it now something like,

Iron = lower Bronze Bronze = middle Bronze Silver = half upper Bronze, half lower Silver Gold = upper Silver Platinum = Gold

Or maybe it has something to do with the playerbase. There are probably less people who are skilled than me, above me. I'd imagine Elo used to be dense, like swimming through Honey. Now with a smaller playerbase, could it be more like swimming through milk?

9 Comments

Darkstar Annie1 votes

Are there any ex-platinum players suddenly finding themselves easily climbing to Diamond this year?

Shieda Kayn1 votes

Pretty much yep

Pxerkza1 votes

yes the spread of the players were shifted UP if you were platinum 1 last season you would be Diamond 4 this season

Crispy0Snake1 votes

https://prnt.sc/om0zt8

Assuming the MMR system hasn't changed, this is the conversions of ranks as "lp above 0lp" representing your elo. Plat 1-4 hasn't changed at all, I wouldn't suggest following any sites that give an indication of Elo, because the site won't know at all and can only give some kind of rough estimate

Darkstar Annie1 votes

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https://prnt.sc/om0zt8

Assuming the MMR system hasn't changed, this is the conversions of ranks as "lp above 0lp" representing your elo. Plat 1-4 hasn't changed at all, I wouldn't suggest following any sites that give an indication of Elo, because the site won't know at all and can only give some kind of rough estimate

Ahh! Thanks for the spreadsheet. Very good visual at what happened.

I've always hovered around 1400 in Gold so I guess it really does seem feasible that I would be plat this year, if Plat 4 is only a mere 200 elo hop, rather the 400 I was thinking beforehand. Maybe I improved a tiny bit after all.

Unker1391 votes

I think elo compared to rank has never been a fixed number, but relative to the player base.

I can't speak to how they calculate it, but the percent of players at each rank seems to stay pretty constant. Last season, the 50th percentile was right around silver 2. With the new ranks, this season it looks like its maybe a low silver 1.

I would guess that if too many or too few people are at a certain rank, the elo bar would adjust...might be manually, but probably a formula. Think of it this way...if your elo is lower than the average at your rank, you gain less lp making it harder to climb. Every game played changes the average elo for each rank in the game and every promotion/demotion does the same.

I don't know how you know your elo since that isn't public, but it's better just to look at what percentile you are at to see if you are improving. Right now diamond 4 is the top 3% of all players. If gold 4 was not top 3% last year, then you have improved (or all the good players stopped playing ranked if you want to be pessimistic). If gold 4 was top 3% then the rankings changed.

Darkstar Annie1 votes

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I think elo compared to rank has never been a fixed number, but relative to the player base.

I can't speak to how they calculate it, but the percent of players at each rank seems to stay pretty constant. Last season, the 50th percentile was right around silver 2. With the new ranks, this season it looks like its maybe a low silver 1.

I would guess that if too many or too few people are at a certain rank, the elo bar would adjust...might be manually, but probably a formula. Think of it this way...if your elo is lower than the average at your rank, you gain less lp making it harder to climb. Every game played changes the average elo for each rank in the game and every promotion/demotion does the same.

I don't know how you know your elo since that isn't public, but it's better just to look at what percentile you are at to see if you are improving. Right now diamond 4 is the top 3% of all players. If gold 4 was not top 3% last year, then you have improved (or all the good players stopped playing ranked if you want to be pessimistic). If gold 4 was top 3% then the rankings changed.

My stats are,

This year: Current: 07.28.19 platinum III #130,413 (8.7% of top) Start: 06.01.19 silver III #357,322 (65% of top)

Last year: End: 09.22.18 gold V #267,026 (28.04% of top) Start: 02.20.18 silver III #357,322 (38.38% of top)

League of Legends had x ranked players (If 357,322 is 65%, what is 100%? (1,020,920?)) in 2018, and now 931,011 in 2019. So if league lost 90K players between 2018 and 2019 could that have an impact on the playerbase skill pool? I feel like everything shifted up in rank while being the same skill, or at least became less dense up at the top, rather my own skill (and ex-gold plat friends for that matter) being rapidly improving when they've pretty much been the same for 4+ years.

Unker1391 votes

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My stats are,

This year: Current: 07.28.19 platinum III #130,413 (8.7% of top) Start: 06.01.19 silver III #357,322 (65% of top)

Last year: End: 09.22.18 gold V #267,026 (28.04% of top) Start: 02.20.18 silver III #357,322 (38.38% of top)

League of Legends had x ranked players (If 357,322 is 65%, what is 100%? (1,020,920?)) in 2018, and now 931,011 in 2019. So if league lost 90K players between 2018 and 2019 could that have an impact on the playerbase skill pool? I feel like everything shifted up in rank while being the same skill, or at least became less dense up at the top, rather my own skill (and ex-gold plat friends for that matter) being rapidly improving when they've pretty much been the same for 4+ years.

It shows that either you have improved or the player base has declined, but moving from top 28% to top 8% would lead me to believe you have improved.

I wouldn't look at starting rank comparing year over year because they changed how placements work in 2019 but it looks like you are doing something right that you weren't last year.

CrazyMonkeyCZ

You skipped the best part, D5 hardstucks in M/GM/chall games...

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