@RiotRepertoir Evelynn Rework?

Thanks for the answer. I am grateful that he designed the core of , thanks to him and CertainlyT, I've enjoyed League for such a long time :)

I would say at this point that Eve's permanent stealth is a toxic mechanic. For one, it makes her extremely good at cheesing the enemy jungler since no one ever buys a pink ward right at the start of the game (pink starter would be suicide). Second is that it forces the enemy to pay more to be able to spot her coming; unless you pink ward your lane approach (which she can bypass if she knows it's there), you simply cannot push or you're going to die when she backstabs you.

Last is that the stealth isn't done in an exciting way; she just gets it every time she's out of combat, and then just stalks around waiting for an opening with her enemies being none the wiser. It feels so anticlimactic when you engage an enemy who dives your teammates, not realizing you're around, and you get a double kill because your opponents were stupid.

I would love it if instead Evelynn's stealth were more like Kha'Zix's, in that it would give short bursts of stealth on demand. That would be more helpful, and much more balanceable.

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I would love for her to play more like an assassin, and Statikk (who did her rework a few years ago) would too I'm sure. I don't think we've really figured out how to do that for her just yet, to be completely honest. It might be that the game doesn't have good ways of dealing with an assassin with her passive at the moment. It may be that the two are incompatible. It may be that we don't have the right idea just yet. Or it may be that it's really not in the best interest of the game for her to be more assassin-y at the moment.

Also, you and I don't really seem to share the same definition of 'reworked.' To me, a 'rework' on a champion or skill is when the mechanics of the skill have been altered significantly, to the point that they might not even share the same purpose as the old spell. I would consider what you are referring to for her R, E, and Q as numbers tweaks or balance tuning. This isn't to say that you're wrong or I'm right, but a shared language/understanding doesn't hurt.

even if they are just number tweaks they are still very significant changes no? max health to current health is very significant considering her ult does no flat damage. that change made it to where she can no longer assassinate with it compared to being able to before.

the change to her E also wasnt just a simple number tweak to me. changing it from magical to physical on a champ that was predominately AP for so long is a drastic change. the change to her missile speed means she cant really chase down targets like she use to. altho i admit for W its not that bad of a change as she just needs to build more CDR

eve of now is completely different compared to the eve at the start of season 3

Have you ever considered an triggered passive stealth, similar trigger to Kah Zix's Passive.

i.e.

Shadow Walk -

When Evelynn breaks vision with enemy champions for .XX secs, she gains stealth for X.X seconds. Activating an ability or attacking will break stealth. Evenlynn's basic abilities abilities become empowered during this time.

Could you suggest to the balance team to give eves ultimate a minimum dmg. Ulting a 50 hp target and them not dying is sad. No one's dmg ultimate can flat out not kill people except for eve. Also can the speed of her hate spikes they are fine untill late game eve is faster than the hate spikes I believe at least with the build I usually use. Can it scale with move speed. Not a bunch but maybe 3 move speed ( missel speed) for her q per 30 bonus move speed not including the active boost ,that might be op late game. Not sure. And her e.. sigh her e. Get rid of the ad scaling and add that amount to the Ap scaling. Then. She will be an assassin and you will never read a buff eve post ever again..... Incoming nurf eve threads with millions of upvotes. Thanks for reading

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I would love for her to play more like an assassin, and Statikk (who did her rework a few years ago) would too I'm sure. I don't think we've really figured out how to do that for her just yet, to be completely honest. It might be that the game doesn't have good ways of dealing with an assassin with her passive at the moment. It may be that the two are incompatible. It may be that we don't have the right idea just yet. Or it may be that it's really not in the best interest of the game for her to be more assassin-y at the moment.

Also, you and I don't really seem to share the same definition of 'reworked.' To me, a 'rework' on a champion or skill is when the mechanics of the skill have been altered significantly, to the point that they might not even share the same purpose as the old spell. I would consider what you are referring to for her R, E, and Q as numbers tweaks or balance tuning. This isn't to say that you're wrong or I'm right, but a shared language/understanding doesn't hurt.

The issue here is that Evelynn cannot be an assassin and have perma stealth like she does. It's literally what got her turned into a joke champion for nearly two years. If she has assassin levels of damage, then she's easily broken, given that her passive is one of, if not the strongest in the game.

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I would love for her to play more like an assassin, and Statikk (who did her rework a few years ago) would too I'm sure. I don't think we've really figured out how to do that for her just yet, to be completely honest. It might be that the game doesn't have good ways of dealing with an assassin with her passive at the moment. It may be that the two are incompatible. It may be that we don't have the right idea just yet. Or it may be that it's really not in the best interest of the game for her to be more assassin-y at the moment.

i think her passive is ok (might have suffered indirect nerfs with cheaper and the new ) what i think needs tweaks is her kit and stats, she had trouble surviving her early game and then she can't survive long enough to to deal her damage (so i ended up building her bruiser often)

what i would change about her kit, is: W: additionally giving a small shield.

Change ult: R: Affects an area around Evelynn for 5/5.5/6 seconds, slowing enemy champions for 30/40/50 %. 50% of the damage Evelynn's does during this effect is done as true damage and all healing done in the effect area by enemy champions is redirected to her. Enemies inside this area receive 40/50/60 + 4% their max HP (+1% per 40 AP) (+1% per 50 AD) true damage per second.

Or something like that.